Talk:Jeff Carroll (soccer)

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Requested move 1

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The result of the proposal was revised move proposed. Dubbin (talk) 10:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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Jeff Carroll → Jeff Carroll (soccer) – . There are now two wikipedia pages for people called Jeff Carroll - this one and Jeff Carroll (scientist). I propose that this page be moved to Jeff Carroll (soccer) and that 'Jeff Carroll' be a disambiguation page leading to a choice of the two pages. Excluding Wikipedia entries and social media pages, Google searching yields higher hits for the scientist than the soccer player, so this change seems justified. Dubbin (talk) 15:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

• Comment -- I ran into this problem in producing articles on British constituencies where listing an MP led to an article on another person with the same name. I created a number of dab pages as a result. These have mostly been deleted, with a redirect hatnote being placed on the existing article, as here. Unless the scientist is the porimary topic, there is no need for a change. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

• In that case the scientist ought to be the primary topic, on the basis of the Google results. The footballer appears to be no longer active, having 'last played' for a second division team two years ago and having scored only one goal in a six-year career. Dubbin (talk) 18:44, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

• Per this discussion, I have submitted an amended proposal (below). Dubbin (talk) 10:44, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 2

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Page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:17, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• Jeff Carroll → Jeff Carroll (soccer)
• Jeff Carroll (scientist) → Jeff Carroll

– Revised move proposal based on the above discussion. If there is consensus, the page 'Jeff Carroll' will have the scientist as its primary topic, with a hatnote mentioning the soccer player. Dubbin (talk) 10:42, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

• Agree. The footballer is significantly less notable. Econlaws (talk) 15:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
• Comment The scientist's article was created just a few days ago and his page view numbers are still bouncing around. There is an author named Jeff Caroll who is probably more notable than either of these individuals. Kauffner (talk) 08:36, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
• Comment I agree WP page statistics aren't going to be helpful here, and may also be skewed by (a) this move discussion and (b) people looking for the scientist but getting the footballer; but I do find the Google result persuasive in terms of notability. I'm not sure how to factor in the author, who has no Wikipedia page, except to note that he doesn't feature in the first few pages of a Google search at all. Dubbin (talk) 11:13, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
• I agree with the requested moves. The most prominent Google hits when searching for 'Jeff Carroll' refer to Jeff Carroll the scientist. Excluding the WP page, no links to Jeff Carroll the footballer are seen in at least the first 5 pages of Google search results. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.126.235 (talk) 23:02, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Preceding comment was moved into this section from a new move request that had been created unnecessarily Dubbin (talk) 09:47, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support -- UNtil the author has a WP article, the footballer can be dealt with in a redirects here hatnote. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
• Comment From the above comments, I'm inclined to have Jeff Carroll as a dab page, and all the others should have the parentheses-profession disambiguation. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 07:34, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support -- I support the requested change. I am familiar with the work of Jeff Carroll(scientist)and agree his contributions are notable and will likely be most required for searching purposes.Munsieln (talk) 17:07, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

• Comment The discussion has been active for seven days (nine including 'Requested move 1') and there appears to be agreement that a move is appropriate. I'd like to note that the original move discussion I proposed on November 24 was for a dab page leading to 2 separate articles, but this was revised to the current proposal because of the need for a primary topic rather than a dab page, for just two articles. On the basis of the two discussions taken as a whole, the move as proposed (scientist as primary topic, with hatnote concerning the footballer), appears overall to be well supported by WP policy and the preferences expressed here. I will leave it to the editor who closes the discussion to make a final determination. Dubbin (talk) 12:32, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

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