Talk:Jeff Fenholt

May 2008

The word "decline" is too strong to describe his life over the past 20 years, so I broke it up to devide the events of one year from everything else. --johntindale (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

At the time Fenholt auditioned for Tony Iommi, Black Sabbath technically did not exist as a band. Following the abortive 1984 lineup of Iommi, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward and American vocalist Dave Donato, Butler and Ward departed (Butler for solo projects, Ward to continue his recovery from addiction), leaving Iommi on his own.

Tony Iommi likely does not own the rights to the name "Black Sabbath" anymore following the reunion of the original lineup. It has been stated that Sharon Osbourne stipulated that Iommi not record under the Sabbath name unless such a project would involve Ozzy Osbourne. He has released three solo albums since the original lineup reunited, two with Glenn Hughes.

Bootlegs of Fenholt's audition tapes (usually titled "Star of India") have circulated for some time and can usually be found on eBay.--MarshallStack 04:56, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

This article is focusing on one minor aspect of Jeff Felholts life, i.e. his association with the band black Sabbath. This article gives very litle information on the man, but seems to be a place for majoring on a minor aspect of his life. The fact is that he sang with the band who were formerly known as Black Sabbath. Big deal. Why make this such a big issue in the article. -- Nick.

Fenholt built the majority of his career based on the fraudulent claim that he had been a vocalist with Black Sabbath. Hence, the majority of his article on Wikipedia is about said fraudulent claim. - Chadbryant 07:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

a few points to consider:

1. juveniles in ohio who commit crimes or are 'incorrigible' are not called criminals and their record is not called a "juvenile criminal record". they are called "delinquents" or "unruly" (which is a set of behaviors that can only be committed by children by refusing to subject themselves to the reasonable control of a parent or guardian). as such. any reference to jeff's own admission he had a substantial "juvenile criminal record" is incorrect under Ohio law. the reference here should be to a "Juvenile delinquency record" and term criminal should be struck unless it is a direct quote from jeff, which it did not appear to be in the background (no quotation marks surrounded it and there was no reference). as a previous director of juvenile court services in ohio, i made the proper changes to the section

2. i went to high school with jeff fenholt. i made a few additions to his background with respect to our school history. jeff and i both lived in columbus ohio and attended columbus north high school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.108.15.59 (talk) 15:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Your desire to add your personal experiences to this article is understandable and no doubt well-intentioned, but unfortunately it is against Wikipedia rules. If there are no independent sources that corroborate your claims, they fall into the category of "original research", which is prohibited. You can read more about this rule at WP:NOR. Best wishes, Chillowack (talk) 03:09, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Unsourced passages

There has been an "Unreferenced Section" tag on the "Departure" section of the article for more than two years. Perhaps the unsourced material in this section should be deleted, if no one comes forth with reliable sources to corroborate it.

In this connection I would like to point out that there are multiple web pages about Jeff Fenholt whose content is virtually identical to this Wikipedia article. Whether this article copied those pages or vice-versa, I don't know: but it's far from clear to me that any of those pages would qualify as legitimate sources.Chillowack (talk) 03:09, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Jesus Christ Superstar - Need to emphasize

Jeff Fenholt played the role of “Jesus” in the original Broadway production of Jesus Christ Superstar. The musical premiered in 1971 and received five Tony Award nominations that year, but unfortunately, it didn’t win any. Despite that, Jesus Christ Superstar went on to become a worldwide hit. Yvonne Elliman also starred in the production as “Mary Magdalene,” and Ben Vereen portrayed “Judas.” If you’re interested, you can watch a performance from the 1972 Tony Awards where Jeff Fenholt, Yvonne Elliman, and the company performed “The Temple,” “Everything’s Alright (reprise),” and “I Don’t Know How to Love Him” - Put in Jeff Fenholt Jesus Christ Superstar Jeff Fenholt was also on the cover of Time Magazine October 25, 1971. This is what we know about for certain about Jeff Fenholt! Why put rumors in the article? People, go to YouTube and listen to Jeff's songs, such as, "I Exalt Thee," and especially, "Classic" Hosanna. Easeltine (talk) 02:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Jeff Fenholt's book about his early life

There is a book written by Jeff Fenholt called, "From Darkness to Light," 1994, Harrison House, Tulsa Oklahoma. Nobody on this planet knows if Jeff Fenholt had an affair with Gala Dali, that is just a conjectured rumor written based on gifts given by Gala to Jeff. I did email about it, and he told me the rumor was not true about Gala. Sure, he could have been lying to me, yet an article should be based on facts, not on accusations. Jeff had problems in his marriage to Reeni that eventually ended in a divorce, yet this article on Jeff Fenholt is not a fair article about him. His book should be referenced, and if anything, Jeff put a lot of passages of Scripture in his book.Easeltine (talk) 02:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

About that article Dali's Demon Bride Vanity Fair December 1998

I had never read the article until tonight. I always assumed the article says point blank that Jeff Fenholt had an affair with Gali Dali. The fact is that the author of the article, John Richardson, is getting his information from Ian Gibson who was working on a biography of Salvador Dali. "Fenholt was given a recording studio at Pubol. There he spent night after night rocking away, to the intense irritation of Gala, who wanted him in her bed, as well as of the other guests, who wanted to sleep." The article does mention the gifts that Jeff Fenholt received, yet Ian Gibson told John Richardson, "According to Gibson, Fenholt showed Gala little or no gratitude." John Richardson made something up. 2600:1700:3B84:AA00:B0D2:FCE:8FD6:6E5C (talk) 03:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

If one reads the article the term boy toy is used once, completely from the Vanity Fair author John Richardson, not the biographer Ian Gibson. "By the early 1960s, Dali had to work even harder on ever more degrading projects to support Gala's addiction to gambling and boy toys." The article does not state with certainty that Jeff Fenholt and Gala Dali had sex together rather Ian Gibson states that Fenholt, "showed Gala little or no gratitude." Easeltine (talk) 13:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)