Talk:DevilDriver

Black Metal

Spotify say that they play black metal and the genres come from allmusic, so its sourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriistianwestman (talk • contribs) 12:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Speed Metal?! Scrubs shouldn't count as a citation... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.103.53 (talk) 14:28, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

GA nomination on hold

Please leave me a note when you've dealt with the issues listed below. Cheers, Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 23:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

• The website (URL) section of the infobox shouldn't read "devildriver.com", but should instead read as the full URL (http://www.devildriver.com/). Precedent: Powderfinger (in fact, that's my precedent for everything :P)
• Image caption could do with a wlink for Ozzfest, and a specific date. Nice image btw. :D

The image doesn't have a specific date, so i can't add it

• "Coal Chamber vocalist Dez Fafara was not happy with the direction Coal Chamber was going in musically." - This sentence makes very little sense in the context of what's been said so far. Merging it with the next sentence will clarify things a bit.
• "The band's self-titled album was not well received by music critics." - might wanna wlink to the album somewhere in this sentence
• "Fafara hosted many barbecues..." - Don't use "many", perhaps "numerous" or "several"
• "and gave him his number for a jam session" - Phone number, right? Clarify...
• "Fafara thought it was cool because it sounded 'evil'" --> "Fafara thought it appropriate because it sounded 'evil'"?
• Wlink or something for the Cross of Confusion?
• Are there any other reviews for the first album (other than All Music Guide's)?
• "Produced at Sonic Ranch Studios, a 14000 acre pecan ranch, 200 miles away from El Paso, Texas." - Start this sentence with "The album was" or something like that, otherwise it's meaningless.
• If you're going to give a precise sales figure (eg. 10,402), you have to say when it was taken, as there's a 99% chance it's no longer relevant.

Added the sales were taken in the first week

• "and that the band made their "true debut the second time around"." - you'll need a verb here, how about "and said that the band made their "true debut the second time around"."?
• Ref 16 needs an accessdate and other formatting
• "The band played for the first time as headliners in the Burning Daylight Tour." - Headliners --> Headline act (etc.)
• "DevilDriver released their third studio effort titled The Last Kind Words, which was released on 16 June and 19 June 2007, in Australia and the United Kingdom respectively, and 31 July in the United States." -Suggesting reword too..."DevilDriver released their third studio album The Last Kind Words on 16 June 2007 in Australia, and 19 June 2007 in the United Kingdom. It was released in the United States on 31 July 2007.
• "and number 48 on the Billboard 200," --> "and reached number 48 on the Billboard 200" - also add a wlink for the Billboard 200.
• Ref 23 probably isn't relevant any longer - see if you can find a relevant version on the web archive (or ask me if you don't know why...)
• "DevilDriver's songs "Devil's Son" and "Driving Down the Darkness" were featured in the TV show Scrubs." - When? Why? Any more details?
• Are there any influences noted for Spreitzer or Kendrick?

I looked but found nothing, the vocalist does almost all the interviews

• Billboard 200 is wlinked to twice in the discography section.

Other, non GA related comments

• Someone please create the John Boecklin article!
• It seems an Evan Pitts article exists, yet he's not wlinked to in {{DevilDriver}} or in the "band members" section. Investigate?

It's a redirect to DevilDriver, only content the article had was Pitts is the guitarist for DD

• The band's singles are considered notable, so articles can be created for them.
• If another album is released (or, indeed, now), a DevilDriver discography list would be appropriate. The discography section can then be formatted the way Powderfinger#Discography, The Corrs#Discography, etc. are.

Will do after an album and DVD is released.

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Good luck, Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 23:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I have made all the appropriate fixes, thanks for the review. M3tal H3ad (talk) 02:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

And it passes. Might wanna create articles for the singles one of these days... Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 06:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

WTF @ genres

Can we please stop editing the genre. Devildriver are groove metal and that is all, they may have elements of other genres but not enough to make them be a part of that genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.79.39 (talk) 00:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Devildriver may have groove metal elements but I would never call them death metal or melodeath. Devildriver is pretty much metalcore with some nu metal elements mixed in. I don't have a problem with the groove metal label, though I think it's a stretch mostly. However Devildriver is metalcore. And they're definitely not death or melodic death metal. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 23:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Further more, you cannot use metal-archives as a source, which has already been determined. And if you do choose to use it as a source did you people conveniently forget to notice that the page says nu metal as well?? So if you're gonna use that citation then put in nu metal. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 00:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

nu metal elements? LOL dunno where you got that idea from. devildriver ftw! \m/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.132.1 (talk) 23:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Nu Metal? So you're saying DevilDriver sounds like Korn, Disturbed, and System of a Down? I'm sorry but I fail to see any similar elements other than they all have a guitarist. I don't know if I could call DevilDriver MeloDeath however. They're also much much too technical to be Metalcore --Deathwish238 (talk) 17:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Technicality has nothing to do with them being metalcore. And I never said they were nu metal, only that metal archives calls their early stuff nu metal or "mallcore" actually. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 21:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, what kind of metal are you listening to that makes you think that they are metalcore? I don't hear any breakdowns, I don't hear any melodic guitar parts, I don't hear any "clean" singing whatsoever, so how in the world are they metalcore? I do however hear pretty harsh vocals, groovish/ heavy guitar riffs, and bluesy solos which are all groove metal traits and i think they should be labeled strictly as groove metal if you want to label them at all. Their old stuff wasn't even close to nu-metal either, Dez was in a nu-metal band before Devildriver but the whole reason why he started Devildriver was to get away from nu-metal so i really doubt that he wanted his new band to be nu-metal. They aren't metalcore either and to be honest I'm sick of everyone labeling any modern metal band that has the slightest bit of hardcore influence as "metalcore" because it's getting to the point where just about everyone is labeled (and most of the time falsely labeled) as metalcore because everyone is so hardcore-obsessed these days. --Snook666 (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It can't be helped. We must do as the sources say. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 18:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, they sort of are a combination of groove metal and metalcore, the style of the band Lamb of God, which I must say, they are very close in style to. Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated. MOTE Speak to me 10:52, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Melodic Death recent

First of all I just want to thank whoever got rid of the bullshit genres, and I put recent by Melodic Death Metal in the genre section because I think the only album with Melodic Death elements is The Last Kind Words. I hope that's alright with everyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snook666 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't what your classification of "bullshit genres" is, but if the genres are sourced, then they can be added, or if you have definite consensus with other editors. MOTE Speak to me 10:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

No I disagree I think every album except the first has Melodic Death Metal elements, there is alot of death growls in The Fury of Our Makers hand which is their second album.86.134.210.29 (talk) 22:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

editing citation -- genre

I'm going to remove the citation in the genre box listing the band as "death metal". The citation in question comes from MusicMight. The only times the term "Death metal" are used on the page are in a "view gallery" link along with the tags 'alternative metal,' and 'thrash metal', and in the band's biography box. The biography says quote: "Far removed from the Nu metal cliches of his former outfit, Devildriver presented a much harder proposition with a keen eye towards death metal." This basically says that they took a "swing" at death metal, but are not necessarily part of that genre. Zaruyache (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC).

DevilDriver is an American Metalcore band from Santa Barbara, California, formed in 2002 BULLSHIT there a groove and death metal band not a metalcore band (Seth4000 (talk) 17:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC))

Metalcore

DevilDriver is an American Metalcore band from Santa Barbara, California, formed in 2002 BULLSHIT there a groove and death metal band not a metalcore band (Seth4000 (talk) 17:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC))

Agreed - it was changed earlier today in what seemed to be an obvious case of genre trolling. I've reverted it, thanks. ~ mazca ^talk 18:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Metalcore and groove metal. As are Chimaira and Lamb of God, both of whom are very similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.132.22 (talk) 06:03, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Genre

As far as I know, DevilDriver are primarily Groove metal, with strong influences taken from Melodic death metal and Thrash metal. I guess I might be willing to accept that there are elements of metalcore in their music, but I probably wouldn't have said so myself. If people post that they're hardcore-influenced, I suppose it wouldn't bother me so long as they provided valid citations. But they are most definetly not nu metal, of that we can all be certain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.131.196 (talk) 17:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Metalcore is Killswitch Engage, Bullet For My Valentine, etc... Devildriver sounds nothing like that, those who actually listen to them should know this. And.. one of their influences is IN FLAMES, thats where the Melodic Death Metal talk comes from, early In Flames work was melodic death metal. and If you listen to all of devildrivers albums, they have songs that fit into that category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.60.221 (talk) 15:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Their New Album is nearly finished in the recording process according to Jeff Kendrick's Facebook account, might want to find some sources to add this information regarding their new album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.60.221 (talk) 05:46, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Picture description

It says Devildriver in August 2013. What, in the name of God's green world made it possible to appear from one month distinct near future in this late June/Early July timeline? A silly but pathetic mistake is made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.147.168.168 (talk) 12:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed, thanks. — Richard BB 12:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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Result: Delisted, consensus is that article is a C-Level. Shearonink (talk) 22:39, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

This article would benefit from a community reassessment. In its present condition I find the following:

• Fails GA Criteria 1b, especially regarding MOS:LEAD - No clear claim of notability in lead section.
• Doesn't fulfill GA criteria 2b - References need to be cleaned-up. There are 2 Citation Needed templates + a dead link + a "clarification needed" + an "update needed".
• The first paragraph in "The Fury of Our Maker's Hand (2005–2006)" section is completely unreferenced.
• The references date from 2007 - they all need to be checked for viability.
• The article was promoted to a GA in 2007. Wikipedia standards have changed since then, especially in terms of statements, referencing and possible WP:BLP concerns. Shearonink (talk) 00:38, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Aye, someone picked up on one of my tags. Appreciate it. Anyway, I think there isn't enough research or detail done for the Pray for Villains, Beast and Trust No One sections. The article was promoted when the band was still somewhat new, and the original nominator has obviously left it to collect dust...actually, the user's been pretty much inactive since 2008, and officially since 2010... so I guess it makes sense that it's this badly deteriorated. They need to look more like the first two. Aside from that, one of the paragraphs in the second section is devoid of citations. I'm at a delist if this article stays the way it is for a few more weeks. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 18:44, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Delist. If the various referencing issues (no references for some sections, dead link, referencing maintenance templates) & MOS:LEAD problems are not fixed then this article should be delisted. Also, if this article came up for a WP:GA Review in its present condition, it would be failed on the referencing problems alone. Shearonink (talk) 21:40, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@Shearonink: I think we can close this one. Nobody appears interested. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:52, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: In your opinion, what level would this article now qualify as? It doesn't appear to be a GA in its present condition...is it a C? Maybe a B? I don't feel comfortable leaving it as a GA...Shearonink (talk) 22:27, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

C-Class at best with refrencing and weasker content as the article progresses. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 22:27, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I value your expertise on this. Shearonink (talk) 22:35, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Shearonink, DannyMusicEditor, as you have both "voted" on this, it would have been best to get someone else to close it per the community reassessment instructions: When the reassessment discussion has concluded, any uninvolved editor may close it. (This also means that the person who opens the community reassessment shouldn't be the one to close it.) I've checked the article myself just now, and feel that it is appropriate to delist for the reasons above, plus the overshort lead (which doesn't adequately cover the various sections of the article), additional unsourced paragraphs, and prose that is too much "on date X person Y announced Z". There's no need to undo the close, but next time please do wait for that uninvolved editor to close the community reassessment. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I can see your point about all that Blue. I would like to mention that I was relying on and referring to the Instructions at WP:GAR and that the "uninvolved editor" term is oddly only part of the Community reassessments (but not the Individual reassessments). The term should probably be bolded within the instructions so no one else misses it if they are doing a Community GAR. If a single editor had weighed in with any sort of a different opinion I would have refrained but since the consensus was unanimous, I thought the article should be put out of its GAR limbo-misery, and went ahead and closed the reassessment. If I find myself in a similar situation in the future I'll post on Talk:GAR (or maybe ping you or one of the other GA/GAR regulars). Shearonink (talk) 01:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Shearonink, the person I tend to ping if I think something needs closing is AustralianRupert; if he's involved, then I try Wizardman. As for "uninvolved editor", the reason it's only part of the community reassessment is that the individual reassessment is, like a regular GAN, supposed to be conducted by a single individual who opens and closes it—is responsible for making the final decision on keeping or delisting—though as with GANs, anyone is welcome to comment. (The lack of involvement comes a priori: the individual not having been a significant contributor to the article, or a past GA reviewer, or the like.) GAR's an odd place: it was up to over 40 GARs this summer, many of which had been opened as individual reassessments but never taken beyond an opening paragraph before being abandoned (they should have been community ones). It was a long haul cleaning them up, but we're in much better shape now. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:55, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: Yay for better shape! This is starting to go wildly off-topic for this GAR but yeah, besides my involvement in the GA Cup, I've been trying to clear-out some of the GAR waitlist. Some of the articles have been undergoing reassessment for months. I'll poke around and see if any are eligible for closing. Shearonink (talk) 04:07, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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