Talk:Jefferson Davis Park

Should this be in the _Category_ of parks?

SCV thinks so, but just because they say it is, does that make it a park? Parks are places you can visit, and I’ve seen nothing other than viewing from I-5. How many other parks are there in the U.S. (other than amusement parks) that are private? Here in Florida I can’t think of even one. Clark County doesn’t call it a park (https://www.clark.wa.gov/public-works/greater-clark-parks-district-parks), the state of Washington doesn't either, and of course Ridgefield doesn’t.

Here is a definition of "park". It’s the first one that comes up on Google:

1. a large public green area in a town, used for recreation:
"a walk around the park"
synonyms: playground · play area · public garden · garden(s) · green
US
2. a large area of land kept in its natural state for public recreational use.
3. a large enclosed area of land used to accommodate wild animals in captivity.
synonyms: parkland · wilderness area · protected area · nature reserve · game reserve
NORTH AMERICAN
4. a stadium or enclosed area used for sports.
5. a large enclosed piece of ground, typically with woodland and pasture, attached to a large country house:
"the house is set in its own park"
US
6. (in the western US) a broad, flat, mostly open area in a mountainous region.
7. an area devoted to a specified purpose:
"an industrial park"
BRITISH
8. a parking lot or garage:
"a coach park"

Doesn’t seem to me that this piece of land fits the definition. deisenbe (talk) 21:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Having been there, my opinion is that it looks more a 'grave yard' to the Confederacy; but my opinion dosen't matter. The SCV use it like a park and have held events, picnicsThe and rallies there; so I don't know what else to call it. The last Confederate flag waving rally was held there during the summer of 2015, after the Mother Emmanuel shooting and calls to remove the Battle Flags from stores. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 02:18, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

I didn’t know they held events there. That changes it. deisenbe (talk) 03:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, [1] but I did not include the info because I could not find secondary sources to confirm. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

To clarify, the park is open to the public. MB298 (talk) 05:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, not even a gate, just a low rail fence along the road. They had but a 'No Trespass' sign, (I thought was intended because of the vandalism) but not a person around. It did appear to have fresh flowers at the stones and a wreath newly placed in front of the Vancouver stone, so it is cared for... C. W. Gilmore (talk) 09:30, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

[2] (2015) "On Saturday, June 27th, members from the Pacific NW Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans Rallied to protect Jefferson Davis Park in Ridgefield Washington. Earlier that week there were threats to burn our Flags from multiple sources, including Willamette Week. So to ensure that the park did not fall victim to senseless vandals, we held an all day rally." - from the article. - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 13:34, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Title

Usually U.S. articles are disambiguated by parentheses, not commas. I wonder if Jefferson Davis Park (Ridgefield, Washington) or Jefferson Davis Park (Washington) is more appropriate? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:19, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Recent vandalism

Came across this news in The Colombian: "On Monday, despite video cameras surrounding the property, red paint covered part of the sign welcoming visitors, an apparently new act of vandalism that likely occurred sometime in the past few weeks. But Confederate flags still flew from the flagpoles."

Perhaps it will be of interest to this page Damingo Sanchez (talk) 01:07, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Requested move 19 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Jefferson Davis Park, no disambiguation necessary for now. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 07:49, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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Jefferson Davis Park, Washington → Jefferson Davis Park (Ridgefield, Washington) – Wikipedia articles for U.S. places are generally disambiguated by parentheses. I suppose we could debate whether or not this park lies within the city's official boundaries (the article currently says "located outside Ridgefield, Washington"), but Google lists the address as NW Maplecrest Rd, Ridgefield, WA. --Another Believer _(Talk) 03:08, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

If it is outside the city boundaries, and someone objects (I personally do not), then in lieu of Ridgefield, the county should be used. It most definitely should NOT say only 'Washington', though. Having only the state name listed -- for anything other than a city/town or county, is far too vague. Also, 'Washington' alone contains another ambiguity: whether it be the state or the capital city in the federal district. Firejuggler86 (talk) 21:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

BTW, the postal address (as given by Google) does not mean anything with regards to whether or not it is actually within the boundaries of a particular city. The surrounding areas of cities that are in unincorporated parts of the county very often use the name of the nearby city as their postal designation; it goes by whatever name the postal office that covers a particular area uses, and postal districts, being entities of the US gov, are completely separate from state/county/city matters. Firejuggler86 (talk) 21:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Support. The nearest city is fine, and even using Washington by itself isn't an issue as long as there is not another place with the same name within the state. The standard disambiguation for article titles on Wikipedia is to use (Washington) instead of Washington state. SounderBruce 18:09, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

There is an issue of the town of Ridgefield, Washington not wanting anything to do with this private park, run by the SCV; though it does have a Ridgefield zipcode, it sits outside the city limits. That being said, the near by wildlife refuge is linked to the city and it similarly positioned. I believe on the cities TALK page there was a discussion. Damingo Sanchez (talk) 00:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose move as requested, Move to Jefferson Davis Park. This is unnecessary disambiguation. There are no other articles on WP to disambiguate and Jefferson Davis Park currently redirects to this page. If disambiguation is needed, the state is sufficient unless there were another site in Washington (or Washington D.C.) Mdewman6 (talk) 23:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

If there is the potential for confusion with similarly named sites or monuments, perhaps in the South, then a disambiguation page needs to be constructed at Jefferson Davis Park and this page moved to Jefferson Davis Park (Washington). Mdewman6 (talk) 23:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Move to Jefferson Davis Park per Mdewman6. Simple reversal of a redirect. Disambiguation is unnecessary. Station1 (talk) 02:42, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

NOTE - There is a Jefferson Davis State Park in Pembroke, KY along with other parks in the South that are locally know as Jefferson Davis parks; so it seems that such a change to exclude Washington State, may lead to confusion as those pages are added - just a thought. Damingo Sanchez (talk) 11:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

We can always deal with that if and when any other articles are written. We never disambiguate preemptively. Even if it happens, this may turn out to be a primary topic. If not, we can easily move this article again at that time. Station1 (talk) 04:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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