Talk:Jen Psaki/Archive 1

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Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... the criteria clearly doesn't apply. There's nothing nonsensical about the earliest versions (which were not authored by me, but retained when copyrighted content was removed.) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:26, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Greek descent?

First of all, the source cited at the end of the sentence in which it is stated that she is of Greek descent actually says only that her surname is a Greek name. Assuming this is true, this cannot be taken as evidence that any of her ancestors, no matter how far back one goes in researching her family tree, was Greek — see Kevin Youkilis. Second of all, the source offers no detail about the surname; for all we know, the writer just assumed it's Greek. I will go ahead and edit this out of the article. --anon. 71.183.133.71 (talk) 00:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Actually, she said it herself (that her surname is Greek) when answering a question by a Greek reporter today (having to do with the Greek prime minister meeting the US president in Washington DC). Here's the transcript:

...MS. PSAKI: Well, first let me just tell you that my last name is Greek, so I’m especially excited about this...(http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2013/08/212755.htm#GREECE)46.12.162.245 (talk) 16:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Of course, as you said, her surname may be Greek, but she might not (might have got it through her husband). 46.12.162.245 (talk) 16:53, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that link. Maybe she'll reveal more about her last name and her Greek ancestry (if any) by the time the prime minister departs Washington. (She can't be used as a source for this information for Wikipedia, though.)

I find it odd that this is a Greek surname that doesn't end in 's'. Yes, I know there are exceptions but if the list of suffixes in this article is exhaustive, 'Psaki' isn't an exception. I can imagine a case where the U.S. immigration authorities could've recorded the surname as 'Psaki' rather than 'Psakis': A widow from Greece, whose Greek papers listed her name as 'Psaki', entered the U.S. with a son and the immigration official simply wrote the same surname for the son.

By the way, 'Psaki' is her father's surname and (not surprisingly) the last name she's had since birth. She didn't take her husband's last name (at least, not professionally) when they married. --anon. 71.183.133.71 (talk) 22:28, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Who Were Her Predecessors as State Department Spokesperson?

Usually you have articles about offices that list all the people who have held the office over time. It would be really helpful if you had an article about the State Department Spokesperson (or whatever the official title of the office is) that listed those who have held the office in various administrations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.104.9 (talk) 18:37, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Candidate for Speedy Deletion

I have nominated this page for speedy deletion. Examining the content, I find nothing of any biographical relevance but a few rumours and other sorted bits that mean absolutely nothing. If someone wants to attempt to rewrite it, go ahead, but otherwise this needs to go. --Angelus Delapsus^Talk 17:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

What is your motive for this? There should be an article on Jen Psaki. If you don't like this one, write a better one, or campaign to improve it. Don't campaign to delete it. I am very suspicious of your motivation. ---Dagme (talk) 23:57, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

This article should be kept, it is very important. People should know about this bright personality of great intellect. Other thing is the absence of data abundance. But she is young, and had a whole life ahead with numerous events. Also people must know, where such competent professionals are prepared. Where else may we find info than in Wikipedia?-- Zara-arush (talk) 21:39, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Education?

I've found only this in referenced source: "She would major in English and sociology". It looks rather cryptic to me but my english is not very good. Can we state something exact about her education based on this? 81.200.30.144 (talk) 22:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Psaki's TV statements

I tried to include some of her most popular statements which she became very famous for but they were reverted by Binksternet as "unverified". While two of them were unverified, the third one (on carousel voting) was. However, Mr.Binksternet thinks citations should prove not fact but the IMPORTANCE of fact and vehemently reverts my edits. Any ideas please? Le Grand Bleu (talk) 09:38, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

If the "carousel voting" gaffe made her "very famous" then you will be able to find lots of sources discussing it, rather than a low-quality reference from Youtube, uploaded by RT but without analysis or a byline. Binksternet (talk) 09:59, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't have to verify that it made her "very famous". The information I added did not say that. The source used was only to verify the fact that she said that, nothing else. I don't plan to prove that it's what makes her famous or that it's important to her career. That'd be original research. It was uploaded by RT but it's not RT's documentary or comment. It's simply footage of her own press-conference. And you're right. There is no analysis or assessment. So, again, why did you revert it? Le Grand Bleu (talk) 10:10, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:BLP, any unreferenced or poorly referenced controversial text must be removed immediately. A Youtube reference from RT is not sufficient to establish the importance of controversy. If a controversy is reported in a biography of a living person, it should be widely commented on, an important part of their life. Binksternet (talk) 09:39, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Since when source showing someone's statement should prove the importance of the statement? And why do you demand proof of importance when the source simply shows footage of the phrase? Are you sure you understand the rules right? I strongly believe you're pushing your POV here. Le Grand Bleu (talk) 10:13, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

First off, the video could be edited to make Psaki look bad. RT is not reliable in this regard. The video on Youtube cannot stand as a reliable source without commentary from a professional reporter with a byline.

Even if the video was from C-SPAN, this is an encyclopedia we are trying to write. We don't tell the reader about routine matters. A minor verbal gaffe at a press conference is just a bad day on the job, a routine occurrence. The only thing that would make it worthy of the encyclopedia is if it was widely discussed in the media. Binksternet (talk) 11:04, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Would you mind awfully giving me the link to a discussion or decision that says that YouTube videos (and, according to your position, videos in general) "cannot stand as a reliable source without commentary from a professional reporter with a byline"? I'm not too experienced in Wikipedia rules and policies and would greatly appreciate it. I would also greatly appreciate the same rule about RT being "not reliable in this regard". According to who? Based on what? Would you mind providing this information for me?

You are being "intentionally unknowing". You know full well it wasn't her "bad day at work" and it wasn't a routine occurence. Wikipedia MAY and does rely on foreign sources not only American. And Jen Psaki's statements are widely discussed all over the world. And if you weren't so quick with your reverts I'd have time to find the necessary citations. Mind you, I did leave a tag saying those are needed.

And finally, please be reminded that BLP applies to the personal life of public figures, NOT their professional one. None of the above concerns Psaki's personal life. Nothing was defamatory or offensive. Not even remotely. May I also draw your attention to WP:PUBLICFIGURE, and particularly to this: "If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article – even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it."

So, AGAIN, why did you revert my edits and threatened me with blocking? Le Grand Bleu (talk) 11:39, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:BLP applies to all parts of a person's article, and to all of Wikipedia. The real issue here is this - why is this statement important enough to be included in her encyclopedia article? We establish that importance through third-party media references, not just references to the original statement. Otherwise, editors could just fill articles up with random quotes designed to make an individual look good or bad. Gamaliel (talk) 16:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2014

This article does not contain credible sources, only opinions. There is no inclusion of the controversy of her position at the US State Department and her adversarial relationship with reporters and the Russian Government. Why can it not be edited to include these items which are fact and are readily verifiable on the internet. This is part of who she is and part of her story. It seems as if she is being protected purely for partisan purposes only.

NeedCredible (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request.
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Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

How do they pronounce her surname?

Psahki or Sahki or what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Барсов (talk • contribs) 09:37, 4 December 2014 (UTC) Correct: Psaki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.204.96.113 (talk) 08:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Psaki targeted by RT (formerly Russia Today)

This biography has repeatedly seen additions of controversial text about Russia, unsourced or sourced to RT (TV network), the former Russia Today which is regarded in the US as Russia's propaganda arm.

• Revision as of 14:57, April 25, 2014: controversial text, sourced to RT, added by 78.34.229.189 from Bonn, Germany.
• Revision as of 08:35, May 23, 2014: insult added by 91.122.64.156 from St. Petersburg, Russia.
• Revision as of 17:34, May 28, 2014: Psaki accused of anti-Russian sentiment, added by 80.4.174.250 from Belfast, Northern Ireland.
• Revision as of 14:31, June 14, 2014: insulting Russian language Youtube video link added by 77.51.24.123 from near Moscow.
• Revision as of 11:45, June 20, 2014: controversial text about a Psaki mistake regarding Russian geography, added by 95.72.109.59 from near Moscow.
• Revision as of 10:40, July 13, 2014: unsourced controversial conjecture, controversial text sourced to RT on Youtube, added by Le Grand Bleu.
• Revision as of 15:23, July 14, 2014: controversial text, sourced to RT, added by 71.39.6.142 from France.

It looks like RT is targeting Psaki specifically, which makes this agency of advocate journalism an involved party. I would suggest to interested editors that this biography be built on what can be found in more neutral and reliable media outlets. If other more reliable media sources comment on Psaki mistakes, or on how Psaki is targeted for Russian insults, then it can be brought to the biography here. Binksternet (talk) 17:34, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

"regarded in the US as"? "Looks like"? Your reverts are completely emotional and personal which has nothing to do with encyclopedia. If you believe RT is biased and compromised as source, start a public discussion on the corresponding page to dismiss it as one. I asked you if such discussion took place, you did not reply. All I see is you pushing your personal opinion and personal grudges against Russia (for whatever reasons you have them) and actually interpreting Wikipedia rules to your own liking. And now you're saying that people posting from Ireland and France are also Russian propaganda? Le Grand Bleu (talk) 17:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Possibly relevant: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/12/state_depts_jen_psaki_russians_have_targeted_me_because_of_my_outfits.html Gamaliel (talk) 17:46, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Definitely not. Le Grand Bleu (talk) 17:50, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

FYI, Le Grand Bleu was blocked for abusing multiple accounts. He has several accounts in different wikis, he is active in the Russian wiki, and he is interested in Russian and Ukrainian topics. It is within his ability to use multiple IP addresses to vandalize this biography. Keep an eye out for further abuse. Binksternet (talk) 05:40, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't mean to offend anyone, but this girl is really a laughingstock of all Russia and it's not just RT that ridicules her mistakes. She might have knowledge in some areas, but geography is clearly not one of them. I don't see why this kind of information shouldn't be included in the article. [2] SuvarS (talk) 10:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Better refs for "Psaking" exist

--Anonymous209.6 (talk) 17:51, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

References

Couldn't Find

Hi, I came here looking for several things... the contributors might consider including them in future edits: - What is her pay band? GS 13? 14? etc. - Is her position as State Spox a political appointment?

Thanks for your consideration. --108.45.56.173 (talk) 19:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Anyone? Anyone? Bueler? --108.45.56.173 (talk) 12:46, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

The silence to your questions is deafening! Had you mentioned Psaki's perceived lack of professionalism in dealing with awkward questions, I am sure that you would have received a reply. Acorn897 (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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Updates on her family

• https://www.instagram.com/p/BEOeCZ8NNEs
  • http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/31/barack-obamas-2016-year-photos-pete-souza/obama-jen-psakis-daughter-vivi/
• http://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a36194/what-its-really-like-to-be-a-working-mom-at-the-white-house/
• https://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2015/04/06/obama-pregnant-staffers-jen-psaki-katie-beirne-fallon-denis-mcdonough/25372219/
  • http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3027861/2-White-House-advisers-expecting-babies.html
• http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/236858-jen-psaki-prepares-for-baby-wh-return
• http://observer.com/2015/02/state-departments-jen-psaki-is-pregnant-leaving-russians-both-sad-and-elated/

--evrik ^(talk) 18:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Twitter accounts

There are two Twitter accounts associated with this person:

• "Jen Psaki" «@jrpsaki» which is her personal account
• "Jen Psaki NARA" «@Psaki44» which is "an archive of an Obama Administration account and is maintained by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)"

The latter is showing here as her "official" account because that's the only one that WikiData knew about until a short while ago: I just added the former and have no idea how to annotate them properly. I would be obliged if someone who knows how this stuff works could step in and lend a hand. TIA HAND —Phil | Talk 11:10, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Phil Boswell, I just piped {{Twitter}} to override the Wikidata item. Clearly readers would be more interested in hearing from her current account, rather than the archived Obama-era one. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks AleatoryPonderings, I might have thought of that myself 🤦‍♂️ but I was chiefly thinking of how to tell WikiData which one should be default. Do you think we should also link to the archive for posterity's sake? HAND —Phil | Talk 11:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Incomplete early education

Jen Psaki attended Sacred Heart Greenwich and Greenwich Country Day School in addition to Greenwich High School.

• [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.43.123.71 (talk) 07:09, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! In order to add this information to the article we need some press coverage about the schools. If you provide them, we'll expand! Thanks! Missvain (talk) 16:55, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Opening sentence

"the 34th White House press secretary since 2021." I don't believe she is the 34th press secretary this year, but that's how it reads. May I suggest the opening sentence is reworded to avoid confusion. Lord Mauleverer (talk) 14:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

• @Lord Mauleverer: yes.--Renat (talk) 06:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm with RS if Jen Psaki is related to Jeffrey Psaki from Citadel LLC?

Can anyone confirm is Jen Psaki is related to Jeffrey Psaki from Citadel LLC? There are sources, but not reliable yet. TuffStuffMcG (talk) 20:26, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

On January 31, 2021, Bloomberg reported, "Amateur sleuths found fertile ground to fan conspiracies. They didn't hesitate in casting Jeff Psaki, a money manager at Citadel, as proof of dark arts at the firm. It started with claims that Psaki, an ex-Goldman trader, was married to White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. He's not: he's her second cousin and has never spoken to her, a person who knows him said." So I guess the question now becomes, should this tenuous connection be included in our BLP? I for one don't think so, at least not until there is additional context as to what it means beyond helping to fan a conspiracy theory. NedFausa (talk) 00:26, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. We don't typically include in biographies that two individuals are not related, so unless quite a lot more sourcing emerges describing the connection (or lack thereof) it's probably not worth doing here. GorillaWarfare (talk) 00:39, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Psaki's Brother, Jeffrey Psaki

Is there a reason there's such resistance to adding a reference to her brother?

I've seen reversion comments saying "We don't report non-notable relatives", but it seems pretty notable that he's an executive at a firm that's embroiled in an ongoing potential scandal.

At the very least, could his name be published? It's common practice in articles to list siblings' names in the "Early Life" section (see also Anthony_Scaramucci#Early_life, picked because he's another recent press secretary) Kugo2006 (talk) 21:29, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Kugo2006: You may wish to see the section directly above this one. I haven't been editing this page so I can't personally speak to the reasoning, but I suspect it has to do with lack of RS confirming that that Jeffrey Psaki is the same as Jen Psaki's brother. GorillaWarfare (talk) 20:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Earlier today, this false statement appeared intermittently online for a total of 45 minutes at Wikipedia's BLP Jen Psaki: Her brother is Jeffrey Psaki. Jeffrey is a Portfolio Manager at Citadel LLC. It was sourced to a Yahoo Finance story from September 15, 2017, reporting that Jeff Psaki was one of three new staffers hired by Hedge fund giant Citadel to build out a fresh investment unit. Yahoo did not mention Jen Psaki. There has been considerable speculation on Twitter this afternoon, much of it based on screenshots of our erroneous Wikipedia page, about the two Psakis being siblings, without a single WP:RS to support it. Colin Kalmbacher, who bills himself as an editor @lawcrimenews, tweeted: Reached out to Citadel. They just confirmed that their portfolio manager Jeffrey Psaki is in no way related to Biden White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. (Who has been dodging questions about the Robinhood situation.) That's the end of this story, folks. NedFausa (talk) 21:51, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

ok, thanks for that. It was just odd that he immediately deleted his linked-in, but he was probably getting hammered with aggro-spam, I would have done the same thing. They should probably report about it more clearly if there is no relation - for everyone's sake.TuffStuffMcG (talk) 23:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Further proof she he is not her brother, she only has two sisters. "Psaki is the eldest of three daughters of Jim Psaki, of Greenwich, and Eileen Medvey, of Stamford." Stamford Advocate Article E741776u (talk) 06:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

 Added to article. Thanks. WWGB (talk) 06:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Uncontrolled amplification goes to 11

First professor Geoffrey Miller (psychologist) tweeted today to his 90.8K followers that, based on her Wikipedia biography, Jen Psaki has a brother, Jeffrey Psaki. A little while later, having discovered that the Wiki claim was disputed, Miller deleted his previous tweet. "If anyone has further information," he asked, "please share."

Meanwhile, YouTuber Tim Pool posted a video for his 1.23M subscribers, which at this hour has already attracted ≈170K views, alleging that Jen Psaki has a brother, Jeffrey Psaki, based solely on Professor Miller's original tweet, without mentioning it had been withdrawn.

So now we have potentially hundreds of thousands of people exposed to this fake news that originated with a single Wikipedia contribution by a first-time editor and its three reiterations by others after being removed.

It's sobering to realize the impact we have. I recommend that editors keep a watchful eye on this BLP to avoid further such distortions. NedFausa (talk) 02:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Or maybe, she, you know, just doesn't have a brother. Did you check? Britmax (talk) 16:13, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

This is not a WP:DOLT scenario. I do not understand why such crying BLP is happening. 109.252.90.66 (talk) 07:06, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

It's important to have well hashed wikipedia articles and biographies for this very reason. The "deleted because of non-notable" stuff was a bad call. If it is being noted, it should be implied that it IS notable. The better reason for deletion would have been "no reliable sources can confirm this relationship".TuffStuffMcG (talk) 13:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2021

It should state that she is a member of the DEMOCRAT party. NOT the Democratic Party. There is a huge distinction. 2601:98A:4080:970:19D4:B3B3:8438:A60C (talk) 11:31, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done It is called the Democratic Party (United States). WWGB (talk) 13:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Jen Psaki catches COVID-19

This seems pretty relevant to her career so can it please be edited into the article ? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-press-secretary-jen-psaki-tests-positive-covid-n1282819 144.172.162.118 (talk) 20:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

I disagree. Being diagnosed with COVID is no longer a "notable" event and doesn't bear enough weight for a BLP, WP:UNDUEWritethisway (talk) 00:10, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Psaki promotion of children transitioning as minors has been very adamant and she's against states passing legislation to stop this.

Jen has been bringing up this topic repeatedly in the past 2 weeks, showing she personally has strong feelings about attacking the children of America beyond just her normal "pro-Abortion at any stage in pregnancy" stance. I believe this controversial topic should be added to her profile as it is more than just the stance of her administration she represents. As she joins the media sphere yet again with MSNBC in May 2022, this needs to be known about her to the masses.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/psaki-laments-that-arizona-minors-cant-obtain-transgender-surgeries — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.34.222.197 (talk) 06:35, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

https://www.al.com/news/2022/04/alabamas-trans-youth-bill-will-harm-kids-biden-will-hold-state-accountable-psaki-says.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.34.222.197 (talk) 06:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)