Talk:Jenny Brown (feminist)
Latest comment: 5 years ago by Elindstr in topic Removal of Cleanup-PR Tag
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Removal of Cleanup-PR Tag
edit- User:DGG: What can I do to address your Cleanup-PR concerns? Brown is clearly noteworthy. "'Jenny Brown' + feminist" has 36,100 hits on Google. She is a leader of a notable group, National Women's Liberation, which deserves its own page (my next project). See 67,200 hits on Google. Her recently publish book, Birth Strike, has generated significant interest. See 28,600 hits on Google. Her activism with the Plan B issue led to federal court litigation, in which she was a plaintiff, and which resulted in two published court rulings. "Tummino v. Hamburg" has 1,500 hits on Google. There is some additional information on the page that wouldn't be noteworthy on its own, but is noteworthy in the context of biographical information about a notable person. Each factual assertion on the page is cited. And it is written in good faith, in neutral tone, by someone (me) who has no direct connection to the subject. Please explain your concerns so that they can be addressed and the tag can be removed.--Elindstr (talk) 17:58, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- the tag isn't exact, but it's the closest we have; the meaning I meant to convey is that it sounded too much like advocacy for her views. The tone to be is sympathetic. It's very difficult ot to write in a sympathetic tone when you're writing about something that you know is good. The way to do it is to keep to plain facts, not the person's opinions.
- But I see there's a bigger problem. Upon re-reading the article just now, and reading each ref, I added a tag about notability, because, as an author, 2 of her 4 books were published by her own organizations; the other two are both published in 2019, and only Birth Strike is in any world cat libraries. If she's notable as an author, reviews are needed to show it. As an activist, where the standard is WP:GNG, almost all the refs are her own publications or blurbs or friendly interviews about her in publications she writes for . The only ones that are not is a tv news story that does not mention her, and a ref to a court case in which she was one of many plaintiffs. Ghits do not show notability for anyone or anything. National Women's Liberation might well be notable -- I think an article on it might work-- see [1]. -- but the notability of an organization does in any case not necessarily mean the founder is notable . DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Can you find book reviews for Birth Strike? DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- I added more citations demonstrating notoriety. And while I disagree that the original draft was written with any advocacy, I further sterilized some of the language. Please remove the page issues tags. Elindstr (talk) 00:30, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- User:DGG: After your critical tagging, I went overboard adding additional citations to prove notoriety to you. These citations are distracting from the page. So I'm moving the Birth Strike references off the main page, but preserving them here if someone questions notoriety or wants to use the citations in the future.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Elindstr (talk) 01:45, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
References
edit- ^ Hedges, Chris (2019-03-20). "America's Reproductive Slaves: Ignore the religious rhetoric and moral posturing about abortion. This is about capitalism's cruelty". Common Dreams. Retrieved 2019-06-26.
- ^ Jacobs, Ron (2019-05-03). "Making (and Raising) Babies in the USA". Counter Punch. Retrieved 2019-06-26.
- ^ Coleman, Patrick A. (2019-03-08). "How Childless Adults Are Secretly Protesting for American Parents". Fatherly. Retrieved 2019-06-26.
- ^ Sutherland, Matt (2019-06-21). "Reviewer Matt Sutherland Talks Womens Work With Jenny Brown Author of Birth Strike". Foreword Reviews. Retrieved 2019-06-23.
...one of the most thought provoking titles we've seen in years.
- ^ Schneider, Ann (2019-06-21). "Labor Conflict: With 'Birth Strike' Jenny Brown Tackles the Population Decline". The Indypendent. Retrieved 2019-06-23.
Birth Strike supports its arguments with facts culled from a vast historical survey of the changing legal status of abortion, contemporary interviews, economics and germinal feminism — such as that of the Redstockings, the 1970s New York radical women's group. In keeping with tried-and-true radical-feminist principles, it relies on testimonials of women who have faced the choice of whether to reproduce or not, and at what price.
- ^ Featherstone, Liza (2019-04-23). "Not In Labor". Jacobin. Retrieved 2012-12-28.
Like many of the classic texts of the Second Wave feminist movement, Brown's book is her own, yet also a collective, intellectual endeavor, growing out of her organizing work with Redstockings and National Women's Liberation, including those groups' discussions and consciousness raising sessions.
{{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in:|publisher=(help) - ^ Featherstone, Liza (2018-10-25). "With Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, How Far Will the State's Attacks on Women Go?". The Nation. Retrieved 2019-06-26.
- ^ Rosen, David (2019). "Birth Strike: The Hidden Fight over Women's Work". New York Journal of Books. Retrieved 2019-06-23.
Brown recommends that the U.S. needs to introduce a national health care program, free abortion on-demand and birth-control, universal free childcare (and eldercare), parental leave for all, and a shorter work week. It's unlikely that a birthrate strike will do much to realize these important goals.
- ^ Adele (2019). "Review: Birth Strike: The Hidden Fight Over Women's Work". News and Letters. Retrieved 2019-06-23.
Many labor and reproductive justice activists are accurate in hailing this book as game-changing because of its placement of reproductive struggles in the context of capitalism.
- ^ "Birth Strike: Socialism and the Women's Movement in 2019 w/ Jenny Brown". Patreon. 2019-03-06. Retrieved 2019-06-23.
Jane Slaughter of Labor Notes had this to say about the book: 'An astute analysis of power relations not only in the sphere of reproduction but also in the worlds of work, immigration, and government policy as they bear on women's ability to control their bodies. She illuminates the historical context of the writings of Marx and Malthus, the crusades of Comstock, and recurring elite pleas for women to supply more workers and soldiers. Brown lays bare why U.S. women who want to be mothers, and those who don't, have it far worse here than in Europe. Then she tells us how to change that.'