Talk:Jeremiah O'Donovan Rossa

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I will include this article on my watch list, and begin to reference it. As I am intrested in the Young Irelanders, Rossa will play an important part i.e the fenian's which were founded by exiled members of Young Ireland. Domer48

Again with the Commander

I see Rossa has also been given the uneasy epithet of "Commander". Is there a source for this? I don't think either the Fenian Brotherhood nor the IRB has any such rank. -R. fiend (talk) 18:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, now we have him holding the "position" of Commander (still linking to the military rank) which I guess is a slight improvement. Now where is the source that this title belongs to him in that capacity? It seems there is a tendency to call people "Commander" as a sort of general-purpose title, which is somewhat disturbing. We wouldn't do that for General, so why this rank? I'll look into his official position when I can. -R. fiend (talk) 19:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Still no source for "Commander". I'm removing it. -R. fiend (talk) 07:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

May I suggest that instead of repeating this same arguement on every one of these articles, we contain this discussion to just one place, and until agreement is reached you refrain from removing text from the articles in question, to reduce the likelyhood of edit wars.--Padraig (talk) 10:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't make sense, as it's a different argument. Or do you expect suddenly a text to appear saying "While Rossa held no formal rank, he was recognized by members of the dynamite campaign as one of its commanders"? I don't think so. With Clarke at least a half-hearted attempt was made to cite some sort of rank, but here there is none. When someone has a source we can discuss it, or do I suddenly have to prove that he didn't hold that rank? -R. fiend (talk) 16:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

He was the Leader of the Dynamite campaign, he planned and organised it.--Padraig (talk) 16:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

That is not the rank of Commander. Why is that so difficult for people? Why don't we just use these stupid infoboxes sparingly, as all they do is present oversimplified, misleading information that's already in the article. The article makes it clear he was the chief organizer of the dynamite campaign (as well as all the other information it provides), we don't need it to make up ranks and titles for him as well. Heaven forbid we should actually make people read the damn article to find out information on him. -R. fiend (talk) 17:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Its not put as a rank but as a position, you already argued that rank shouldn't be used, so position was added to the infobox for that purpose.--Padraig (talk) 17:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Still, is there any evidence that he was ever referred to as a commander even as a position? Why is that better than other words that could be used, and that wouldn't be mistaken for a rank? Without perusing his memoirs (which I have been meaning to read for a couple years but haven't gotten around to yet) I was unable to quickly find what his official standing in the IRB and Fenain Brotherhood was, though it seems he should have held some formal position (neither had ranks, that I know if, so not Commander). I think we should find out what that was and use it. In the meantime, maybe "leader of the dynamite campaign" would be the most accurate "position" for him to hold (keeping in mind simply putting "leader" would give the erroneous impression that he was leader of the IRB). -R. fiend (talk) 17:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable, but that would reduce the likelyhood of edit wars, and would not suite some. --Domer48 (talk) 11:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Distant relations

Would it be too much to mention that O'Donovan Rossa was a distant cousin of the descendants of Domhnall na g-Croiceann through the 16th century lord's mother, an O'Donovan MacEnesles, and then again further back when the family branched in the 13th century? Also, he visited with some of my relatives, who happen themselves to be descendants of Donal of the Skins, when he was living and doing some travelling in the US. I have been thinking of saying hello to his descendants who live here in NYC, my distant cousins I guess you can call them, to get more information for his article. Nora lives (talk) 04:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

And yes, they probably gave him money. They had plenty.

I didn't do it. I'm a quarter English or more. Nora lives (talk) 20:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Their descendants would be like my fifth cousins now or something. I don't think he stayed with them for very long and don't know if he was busy planning the bombings then. Undoubtedly he is still unpopular in England. I once had a little family "story" about it on paper, I think wondering if a reference in one of Rossa's writings referred to my cousins. Judging by the pedigree stopping at my great-grandfather's generation I probably have like a thousand now in the US so I'm not going to bother searching for them to get the story. This former councilman, a descendant of Rossa's, I might try to find one day now that I'm living in NYC. Of course he may not know. Nora lives (talk) 02:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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Diarmuid Ó Donnabháin Rossa

I have looked further into this issue regarding the Gaelic version of his name and it seems to be widely used. The public monuments to this man, both in St. Stephen's Green, Dublin and in the town pf Skibbereen include the Gaelic version of his name, as can be seen here Claíomh Solais (talk) 00:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC)