Talk:Jerez de la Frontera

The Sound of Copying

A lot of the current "Jewish History" section sounds just like it's quoting verbatim, probably from the Jewish Encyclopedia mentioned in the References section. Shouldn't the text be quote-marked and the source referenced in place? I found it disturbing to read unattributed text that sounded like whole copied paragraphs. Peter 01:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC) Oct 5, 2006

Apparent copyvio removed

Several paragraphs which were word-for-word reproduction of text appearing on this Hotel website have been removed. Text first inserted Sep 2005 here. Although it's only copywriting (in the advertorial sense of that word), there's no good reason to include it in wikipedia. The rest of the article is a bit of a mess at present, will also add a cleanup tag.--cjllw | TALK 15:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Xeres Should Be About The Persian King

When you search for Xeres, the Persian King should come up, not a city in spain. Or they both should come up with you having the option to choose one.

     Actually, it's "Xerxes", not "Xeres". :3 - Bajjer
             ^ this is true  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.35.218.187 (talk) 12:57, 3 January 2015 (UTC) 

Kiyosu, twin city

This fact can be consulted at the embassy of Japan in Spain web site: http://www.es.emb-japan.go.jp/relaciones_hermanadas.htm

Was Jerez a Jewish city in Andalucia or an Andalucian city that harbored a Jewish quarter?

Why is it that this article has two thousand words about the Jewish quarter of Jerez and two sentences about sherry?? The Jewish section even includes a lengthy roster of individuals who lived there, fully two-thirds of them inconsequential, at least from a global perspective. Some of this material makes most trivia seem highly significant by comparison. Until sherry gets as much coverage here as the Jewish quarter does, this article is seriously out-of-balance. PeterHuntington 10:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The bulk of the section on the Jewish quarter is rather irrelevant. They also lack references. I suggest this story be excised from the article and written into a new article. The Jews of Jerez de la Frontrera perhaps? Comorros (talk) 22:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Evolution of name

Are you sure about the Greeks calling the city "Shiraz"? I've read a lot of different versions of the city's name over the years, but never "Shiraz." I thought the Greeks also used the Phoenician name, "Xera." Hashashin 14:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I had the same thought when I read this. What possible connection could Cadiz have with a city in Persia? (Shiraz is certainly not a word with a Greek form.) Perhaps the fellow who confused Xeres for Xerxes (above) has perpetrated this. I am making the change that Hashashin (the Assassin) suggests. PeterHuntington 16:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Message to Friedfish:

I looked for evidence to support the etymology of Jerez that you insist on inserting in the "Jerez de la Frontera" article.

A search of web sources turns up the following references to "Ceret", one from a travel agent's site, one from a wine merchant's.

From www.oneplanettravel.com: "A unique heritage has shaped the layout of Jerez: traces of the ancient Xera, as the Phoenicians called it, the Roman Ceret, and the Moorish Sherish, and constructions subsequent to the Christian conquest. The jerez wine (a kind of sherry) is worldwide renown."

From www.winesfromspain.com: "Jerez's name apparently derives from the name of the Greek city Xera, meaning ‘the dry land’. In Roman times, when Jerez was known as Ceret, millions of amphorae of wine were shipped to Rome. It was in this period that Vinum Ceretensis began to gain fame and appreciation outside Spain."

From www.flamencoshop.com: "Some say that the Phoenicians introduced the vine to Spain, but it is more probable that Greek settlers brought it with them around 5th or 6th century BC. It is pure speculation, but the name Jerez may also be Greek in origin: they could have imported wines from the Persian city of "Shiraz", so why not name their new town after that city?"

From www.answers.com: "The town's Persian name during the Rustamid period was Xerex (Shariz, in Persian), from which both sherry and Jerez are derived."

From sports.espn.go.com: "Ankoor Biswas of Chicago adds, 'Xerez is a former name of Jerez de la Frontera, a city in southern Spain. Sherry wine was originally produced in this town, and got its name from the city -- which the Persian founder named after the Shiraz wine of Iran. So xerez is essentially the name for sherry produced near the Jerez de la Frontera region in Spain ... . I knew all this because there's a Spanish second division soccer club named Xerez CD. Every once in a while it pays to be an American following international soccer.'"

Because the nearby city of Cadiz was, almost certainly, founded by the Phoenicians about 1104 BCE, Jerez was probably either an outpost of the Phoenician colony with the name, Xera, meaning "dry land", or a Tartessian village whose original name does not survive. The Greek settlement which followed, in the sixth or fifth century BCE, is likely to have assumed the same Phoenician name, Xera. The Greek root "Xer-" also means "dry"; this root survives, for example, in the English word, "xeriscaping", meaning landscaping in areas where water is scarce. The idea that the Greek name for Jerez was "Shiraz" is utter nonsense. Why would the Greeks name their city for a Persian city? The Persians were the mortal enemies of the Greeks for hundreds of years. The idea that the Greeks would honor the Persians in this way is beyond absurd.

As for the name of the Roman city, I am inclined to think the Encyclopedia Britannica is closer to the mark than the travel agent, the wine merchant, the dance studio, and the estimable Ankoor Biswas of Chicago. According to the latest edition of Britannica, Jerez is "probably identical with the Roman Asido Caesariana." The 1911 edition says, "Jerez has been variously identified with the Roman Municipium Seriense; with Asido, and with Hasta Regia, a name which may survive in the designation of La Mesa de Asta, a neighbouring hill."

I think "Ceret" is what is called a "back-formation". That is, I think the reference to "Vinum Ceretensis" (wine of Ceret, whatever that is) may be a misspelling of "Vinum Cretensis" (wine of Crete). Crete has produced wine for millenia, and it may have been the source of the vines introduced to Iberia. In any case, until I am shown a map with "Ceret" on it, I am not persuaded that there was ever such a place in the Roman world. Gades appears on Roman maps of Hispania Baetica; so does Italica, near present-day Seville, the birthplace of two Roman emperors (Trajan and Hadrian). So, too, you can find "Asta" at approximately the position of Jerez. But no Ceret. Nowhere.

As for the Muslim name, "Sherries" or "Sherish" is simply the approximate Arab pronunciation of "Xeres" or, more properly, the Arab name, "Seris", which is a more accurate transliteration of the Arabic name. The business about the Rustamids is largely irrelevant. The Ummayads conquered Spain. The Rustamids were in Tunisia and Libya. Yes, the Rustamids were a Persian line of imams, but whether they called Jerez "Shiraz" or not is questionable, They never controlled Jerez, so they didn't have much of a right to name it. The Ummayads chose "Xerez" or "Xeres", and maybe that's all we need to know.

For these reasons, I intend to remove all of the questionable and patently nonsensical material, and, unless you can present better evidence, I don't expect you to revert it again. PeterHuntington 04:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

An incorrect sign at a museum in Jerez de la Frontera

Hi PeterHuntington

Thanks for your input - not sure I agree with your assumptions on the value of researching via the internet, although you are putting some useful information into the article. Keep up the good work - perhaps the people who used this "Evolution of the word" should have the errors of their ways pointed out. → friedfish 09:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

External Link

I included an External Link pointing to www.travellady.com/Issues/January07/3888ThreeSpain.htm "Three-Dimensional Spain", a travel story focusing on the three complementing characteristics of Jerez.

Scribbleman 09:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Please wait for a response on this talkpage when you announce your intentions to include these Terje Raa travel stories. Don’t include them yourself, as including these links are your only contributions here, you seem to have a conflict of interest. Please wait for community input, thanks. --Van helsing 12:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello Jerez Editors! The link I want you to consider, goes like this:

• www.travellady.com/Issues/January07/3888ThreeSpain.htm "Three-Dimensional Spain"] Terje Raa explores horses, sherry and flamenco, travel story

I look forward to your decision.........Scribbleman 06:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello again Jerez Editors! It seems I was too quick when inserting the link myself. Perhaps you speculate whether there is something commercial in this for me - not at all! Below is a link design that others go for:

Terje Raa (January 2007) www.travellady.com/Issues/January07/3888ThreeSpain.htm "Three-Dimensional Spain" Article about Jerez on travellady.com Scribbleman 10:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Still no response from the Jerez Editors, so I inserted the actual link myself, trusting they will keep it awhile to see how it works. Scribbleman (talk) 09:45, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

External links policy on Advertising and conflicts of interest states You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, and in this case, you are Terje Raa^[1] . Unfortunately your conflict of interest editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote yourself and your articles. Such a conflict is strongly discouraged. Your contributions to wikipedia under Scribbleman consist entirely of promoting Terje Raa / bootsnall.com / travellady.com and is considered WP:Spam. Looking through your contributions as a whole, the all seem to be Terje Raa/bootsnall.com/travellady.com related only. Please do not continue adding links to your own websites to Wikipedia. It has become apparent that your account are only being used for spamming inappropriate external links and for self-promotion. Wikipedia is NOT a "repository of links" or a "vehicle for advertising" and persistent spammers will have their websites blacklisted. Any further spamming may result in your account and/or your IP address being blocked from editing Wikipedia. Avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines. You're here to improve Wikipedia -- not just to promote yourself, right? --Hu12 13:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

I seem to recall the the locals pronouncing the name 'huh-RETH', but I can't find a reference.LorenzoB (talk) 15:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Xeres, the wine

   The word "Xeres" is not common in English discourse, and i don't object to the Rdr at Xeres to the accompanying article on the city. Still, the late-Victorian light opera The Gondoliers, in portraying in English the interaction (in Venice) of Venetians and Spanish royalty, flourished the word once or twice per verse in a principals-and-chorus song (#15) that is also reprised at the finale, and i think it has enuf prominence, both from the bottle's label and the work being still enthusiastically performed after 122 years, that a {{Redirect}} HatNote-Dab, linking to Sherry, is called for.
--Jerzy•t 10:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

   I forgot to provide the 1/3-million-hit Google-search for <<xeres fandango bolero>>.

Merge proposal: World's largest weather vane to Jerez de la Frontera

• World's largest weather vane doesn't seem independently notable, but might be worth mentioning here. Boleyn (talk)

• I do not agree with the merge proposal. Jerez de la Frontera is a section about a city. World's Largest Weather Vane is a section about a topic, with references that go beyond merely Jerez. I recommend leaving the Weathervane section separate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.7.176 (talk) 05:02, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

• Against merger, it is obviously two different subjects. The article about the World's largest weather vane could be expanded to other contenders and has only a passing relation to the City in Spain. Pierre cb (talk) 16:39, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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