Talk:Jerry Kindall/GA1

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Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 21:25, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I will be popping a look at this! It's been waiting long enough, but then again, it's not like any new information is sure to come out. — GhostRiver 21:25, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Infobox and lede

• Saint Paul is spelled out in the article but abbreviated to St. Paul in the lede; both are technically correct, consistency is more important
• Add (MLB) abbreviation after the first instance of Major League Baseball
• "Twenty years later, Kindall became the first man to win College World Series titles as both a player and a head coach." → "Twenty years later, Kindall coached the Arizona Wildcats to a College World Series victory, becoming the first person to win CWS titles both as a player and as a head coach." (Current phrasing out of context makes it sound like he did both in the same year)
• Link the first instance of College World Series and include the acronym; then abbreviate to CWS later when you mention that he hit for the cycle

Early life

• Rename section "Early life and college"
• Saint Paul, Minnesota → Saint Paul, Minnesota per MOS:SEAOFBLUE
• "Kindall had a basketball scholarship to the college but also played baseball there," → "Although he had an athletic scholarship to play college basketball, Kindall also played baseball for Minnesota,"
• Do we know what year he earned All-America?
• Similarly, what year was the CWS win? If 1956, I'd include "That same year" at the start of the sentence
• "No one has done so in a College World Series since" → "He is the last person to do so in a College World Series"

Chicago Cubs

• No WL needed for "rules", per MOS:EASTEREGG
• Some overquoting in the first paragraph; try something like, "Kindall accepted the "handsome offer" from the Cubs, but promised his parents that he would follow through on his college education."
  • I don't think it's overquoting. In fact, it's covering some stuff not mentioned in the early life section - to paraphrase would lose some valuable information. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 11:37, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
• "partly because he had already earned a lot of money instead of having to play for low salaries in the minor leagues before reaching the majors, and partly because he had replaced Ed Winceniak, a popular player who got along well with the rest of the team." → "besides joining the team with a lofty salary rather than playing for low wages in the minor leagues, Kindall had replaced Ed Winceniak, a popular player who had a strong rapport with the rest of the team."
• "Most of Kindall's first appearances were as a pinch runner, so much so that he was surprised on July 25, when he received an at bat against the Pittsburgh Pirates because the team had batted around since he pinch ran. Roy Face was the pitcher." → "Kindall's first at bat came as a surprise after several weeks of pinch running; he was asked to hit against Roy Face of the Pittsburgh Pirates because the Cubs had batted around since Kindall pich ran."
• "A change to the bonus rule prior to 1958 meant that Kindall's half-season of 1956 could count as a full season for purposes of the bonus rule. Now that he was eligible for the minor leagues, the Cubs..." → "A change to the bonus rule prior to the 1958 season meant that Kindall's half-season in 1956 now counted towards one of his two full seasons, and he was eligible to be optioned to the minors. The Cubs subsequently..."
• "worked on his hitting" → "worked on Kindall's hitting" (clarify that Boudreau was not working on his own)
• Remove "venerable" in the last line, for POV reasons
• Overall, the section is quite long compared to the others and could probably be broken up into subheads for his first stint in the majors, his time in the minors, and then his second major-league stint

Cleveland Indians

• WL Joe Reichler
• Pipe "reserve player" to Substitution (sport)
• "in a four-game series against the Yankees"
• Write out and WL first instance of New York Yankees
• WL walk-off home run

Minnesota Twins

• "With the Twins in 1964, Kindall was one of about a half dozen infielders the team tried at second base, but he managed to get into 62 games for them." → "Kindall was one of about a half-dozen infielders that the Twins tried at second base in 1964; despite the competition, he managed to appear in 62 games for the team that year."
• "In 85 games combined between Cleveland and Minnesota in 1964"
• "still limited" → "continued to limit"
• "Griffith informed him" → "Griffith informed Kindall"

Career statistics

• Some overquoting here (see below). Two areas where it can be trimmed:
  • "“I was a project every season,” Kindall recalled. “It was always, ‘If we could get Kindall to hit .260, he could be a regular.’ Maybe I got confused trying so many different things, and I struck out too much to hit for average.”" → "Kindall later recalled that he was "a project every season", and that "It was always, 'if we could get Kindall to hit .260, he could be a regular.'" He speculated that his low average was due to a high number of strikeouts, as well as the constant changes to his batting stance."
  • Roberts once asked Kindall why he got so many hits against him. "I told him at first that I didn’t know but then explained that he gave me good fastballs below the belt," Kindall recalled. "From that point on I got nothing but belt-high fastballs and curves. I don’t know why I said that.” → "When Roberts once asked Kindall why the batter hit so well against him, Kindall suggested that Roberts "gave [him] good fastballs below the belt." He then joked that, after that conversation, Roberts gave him "nothing but belt-high fastballs and curves."

Coaching career

• Rename section "Coaching career and later life" or "Coaching career and retirement", as the last paragraph includes his post-coaching activities
• Kindall believed that Arizona "wound up flipping a coin" to decide between him and Hamilton, but he was ultimately the one hired.
• "as both a player and a head coach"
• Pipe "analyst" to sports commentator

Personal life

• "Lou Gehrig's disease" → "Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, sometimes known as Lou Gehrig's disease)"
• "and died three years later from it" → "and succumbed to the disease three years later"
• Link the first instance of Christian
• "Jesus Christ both on and off the field"

References

• Spell out Society for American Baseball Research in [2] and make them the publisher parameter rather than the work
• Drop "The" from "University of Minnesota" in [4] and make that the publisher parameter rather than the work
• Same deal with [29] regarding "The" and publisher vs. work
• Same deal with [32] regarding publisher vs. work
• In [18], "tucson.com" → Arizona Daily Star

General comments

• Image used is public domain and obviously relevant
• That being said, please remove the fixed image size of 290px, per MOS:IMGSIZE
• The revision history shows no stability concerns
• Earwig score is quite high at 69.5%. This is mostly due to direct quotes that happen to go long; I noted above where these could be trimmed down

Just some prose stuff and some quotes that can be trimmed. Putting on hold, and as always, let me know if there are any questions!

I've been down for the count the past few days with a bad head cold, but I think it looks good now. Thanks for making those changes! — GhostRiver 01:03, 8 September 2021 (UTC)