Talk:Jersey Buff

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to Jersey Buff turkey, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 23:06, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

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Buff turkey → Buff (turkey) Jersey Buff – Pleace move back to the breeds name. There are other buff turkeys out there. Not just that one (American) breed. For example:

• the German/European Buff Turkey
• the English Buff Turkey (= nl: Engelsekalkoen buff) (see Listing of European Poultry Breeds and Coulours)
• at least there is a buff czech turkey as well [1]

1. natural disambiguation is not a valid reason with the matter at hand, because the article it about that one special breed, not any buff turkey
2. like virtually all other animal breed articles, was wrong before a lot of unreferenced moves as well, like discussed there. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 20:21, 28 September 2014 (UTC) PigeonIP (talk) 16:18, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

• Comment the proposed title would be ambiguous per the nominator's own rationale. Buff (American turkey breed) would then be the needed title. "Buff turkey" and "Buff (turkey)" would then become set indices -- 70.51.46.146 (talk) 04:49, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Why not Jersey Buff to stay with WP:NATURAL and WP:PRECISE? --PigeonIP (talk) 13:47, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

• Support revised proposal, → Jersey Buff, as a neat way out of the thorny question of disambiguation. This is the name under which this turkey is reported to DAD-IS, and is widely used in academic sources. This page was moved to its present title by Sphilbrick (whose opinion would be valuable here), so it isn't part of the mass revert request at Talk:Teeswater sheep. Perhaps Steven Walling, who created the page, would also like to comment? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:48, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I was originally reading this to imply you think my opinion s generally valuable, and I was going to demur, then I realized you meant in this specific case. I do a fair number of page moves, and usually check to make sure they are asserted to be non-controversial. I did not do a thorough review in this case, and subsequently saw that there is some controversy involving naming of bird breeds. My opinion is "valuable" in the sense that I did not undertake a through review of the issue, and would defer to the subject matter experts.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:59, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I have to note that WP:AT is a general, site-wide policy that we don't rewrite on the fly to make "subject matter experts" (says who?) happy. Doing so has been a constant source of trouble, and the nine-years-in-the-making RFC at WP:BIRDCON, not to mention WP:LOCALCONSENSUS policy, pretty much put that idea to rest.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  09:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose but suggest "Jersey Buff turkey" which gets "About 34,600 results". User:Justlettersandnumbers, what "thorny question of disambiguation"? Let's talk turkey. "Jersey Buff" epically fails WP:AT ie that "The title indicates what the article is about" with more specific failings in relation to WP:PRECISE. Neither the words "Jersey" or "turkey" are found in the ten definitions of wikt:buff. Jersey also has its own wide range of meanings. In WP:PRECISE we can guess from her name that "Mother Teresa" is a woman who is regarded, in some way, as "Mother". I don't think that we are given any clue as to the nature of "Jersey Buff". Feel free to try this yourself. You could, if you could be bothered, ask someone, who hasn't already gained knowledge on turkeys, what they think may be possible definitions or "Jersey Buff". Alternatively you could just think your way through possible responses. WP:NATURAL relates to disambiguation. Let's sort out basic titling first.

Also DAD-IS is "a communication and information tool for implementing strategies for the management of animal genetic resources". It is hardly a relevant guide for a general consumption article titling. Gregkaye ✍♪ 07:51, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

No kidding. PigeonIP, Jlan and Montanabw have been really heavily over-relying upon FAO sources (i.e. WP:UNDUE weight) in all of these RMs and related discussions.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  09:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

• Move to Jersey Buff turkey, per Gregkaye. Nom's revised idea, Jersey Buff, is still potentially problematic, because buff (colour) isn't limited to turkeys: 'The word "buff" is used in written standards of several breeds'. It's used in the names of divisions/subbreeds in various cases, and as WP evolves, its quite likely we'll have articles on some of these as popular breed articles get too long and start to split, per WP:SUMMARY. It might even be in the formal breed name of some other breed of animal (there are a huge number of breeds, under a broad definition of that term, that we have no article on yet). Any animal breed term like "buff", "pied", etc., used for more than one species should be disambiguated with the species name in a case like this.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  09:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
• Move to Jersey Buff turkey, agree with SMc for once. JTdale ^Talk 17:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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