Talk:Jessica Jung/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

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Pages moved, but not Yuri. It was not clear to me that Yuri (Korean singer) and Kwon Yuri are the same or different people. So I left that were it is. If anyone wants to sort that out, they can renominate that one. I'll also add that there have been several moves of these articles so any move is not uncontroversial and needs discussing. I'm tempted to move protect the articles, but for now I'm going to leave protection off. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Jessica Jung → Jessica (entertainer) — Relisting. The page was only moved on the 2nd June, it seems a bit early for a second move, I'll relist for now to ensure everyone is happy to move again.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC) WP:COMMONNAME: Jessica Jung is usually called Jessica and on their official Korean, Japanese and Taiwanese website her surname isn't even mentioned. The same for Yuri and Im Yoona. Dr. Crisp (talk) 13:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

• Kwon Yuri → Yuri (entertainer)
• Im Yoona → Yoona

Survey

• Comment are these the only entertainer known as "Jessica" or "Yuri" or "Yoona" ? 70.29.212.131 (talk) 03:25, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Jessica google search doesn't yield this person in the first 100 hits ; further, this is a common English name, so I'd expect some English language entertainer might have been just "Jessica"
  • Yuri google search doesn't yield this person in the first 100 hits ; further, this is a common Russian name, so I'd expect some Russian language entertainer might have been just "Yuri", and this person isn't an English-language entertainer.
  • Yoona [1] appears to also be spelt YoonA.
  • 70.29.212.131 (talk) 03:25, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

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Fluent in Korean?

Where is the source that says she is fluent in Korean? On TV I saw another celebrity mention she was still getting used to the Korean language, so she makes some mistakes sometimes. This would imply she is not fluent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.138.199.2 (talk) 23:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

    She is fluent in Korean.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ducati748 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC) 

I would like to confirm this that she is actually fluent in Korean. Mind checking the TV show Jessica & Krystal if you would like to oppose my comment here. I based it on my findings on the show and I think you need to confirm your claims before you add something absurd enough to start another lame edit war. (Penguin330) (talk)

Move?

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The result of the move request was: not moved Kotniski (talk) 14:36, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

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Jessica (entertainer) → Jessica Jung —

• Jessica Jung is currently a redirect and is the most common spelling on Google and the first move doesn't seem to have consensus, thus should not have been moved. 217.21.116.234 (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

• Given the move history, clearly not uncontroversial. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:07, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
  • The user requesting the move is banned User:InkHeart on a proxy (see history of this talk page). The request can be ignored unless there is a consensus among established editors. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 08:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
  • The above is irrelavant to this topic under discussion. 200.87.171.114 (talk) 11:24, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
    • It is entirely relevant. You can make your claims but do not remove others comments ~~ GB fan ~~ 11:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. Google News archive search yields 50 hits for "jessica" "girls generation" [2], but 0 hits for "jessica jung" "girls generation" [3]. PC78 (talk) 22:15, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment - The move is to Jessica Jung, not "jessica jung" "girls generation". So what you wrote makes no sense. Please see "Jessica Jung" Google News. The name "Jessica" is already taken on Wikipedia, so it makes more sense to use her full stage name, Jessica Jung. She is addressed as Jessica Jung serveral times in her Wikipedia article, plus other articles. 222.124.8.13 (talk) 23:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
    • It's necessary to add "girls generation" to the search to ensure that the hits are valid. The search you link to includes numerous other people by the same name, and a search for just "jessica" would clearly be pointless. External, reliable sources seem to refer to her only by the name Jessica. "Madonna" is also taken on Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean we should move Madonna (entertainer) to "Madonna Louise Ciccone". PC78 (talk) 23:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
  • "Jessica Jung" Google News received 8,150 hits. "It's necessary to add "girls generation" to the search to ensure that the hits are valid." Makes no sense either people are not going to type "girls generation" by doing this you are narrowing it down. All you need is the name of the person, not what they do. "Madonna Louise Ciccone" is her real name not her stage name, so that's different. Jessica Jung is Jung Su-yeon's full stage name. People call her Jessica because it is shorter and faster to say. 222.124.8.13 (talk) 23:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
    • My comments above make perfect sense. Your google search includes many other people with the name "Jessica Jung", so adding "girls generation" to the search narrows it down to just the relevant hits. If you still don't understand then I'm not sure how to say it any clearer. The group's official website even refers to them by just their first names. All the evidence on offer goes against the requested move. PC78 (talk) 00:11, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
      • Do you think Google News is the only source? That's where you are wrong. She is still also known as Jessica Jung in other media besides Google News. Not only does her Wikipedia article prove it but her Korean Wikipedia article and Korean news proves it as well. Jeez, even Jessica refers to herself as "Jessica Jung" on her twitter.
      • The point is she is more distinquishable as "Jessica Jung" on Wikipedia, seeing as Jessica is a common name and "Jessica Jung" is her full stage name yet it isn't being used. 222.124.8.13 (talk) 00:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
        • Google News is not a source in itself, the results of a search are from various other external news sources. The Korean Wikipedia article is irrelevant, and I'm not sure how useful Korean language sources are in this case. I've already made my case, and my opposition to the move stands. I'm not going to go round and round with you on this. PC78 (talk) 01:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
        • The posted Korean news site isn't even about Girls' Generation's Jessica. Furthermore, of course the Korean Wikipedia mentions her full name in the article, but also the Korean article title is "Jessica (1989)". And the twitter account is fake, her real account is http://twitter.com/jess_syj . In addition, at everything official she is referred to simply Jessica or "Girls' Generation's Jessica". In the official booklet to "Naturally blonde", "Jung" isn't even mentioned but Girls' Generation is. Same for the official poster 1, 2. And on the cover to Infinite Challenge: Olympic Song Festival it's also just Jessica. And of course PC78 is right with adding Girls' Generation at google search or using advanced search sttings, since there are many people with the name Jessica and Jessica Jung is a common German name. Google news results: 제시카 소녀시대 (Jessica Girls Generation) (66), 제시카 정 소녀시대 (Jessica Jung Girls Generation) (0), 제시카 정 (Jessica Jung) (1) --Christian140 (talk) 09:12, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This page — specifically the move requests — has had a lot of sock activity. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/InkHeart/Archive. SKS (talk) 16:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• Note I was asked to vote for no apparent reason. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Yeah, some neutrally-phrased but somehow targeted canvassing seems to be going on. --Cybercobra (talk) 19:48, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I got that too. I have no idea how this guy picked who to paste that on, except that you, me and Richhoncho, who also got it, once participated on an AFD/Merge request. I'll report it to ANI if you haven't already

The IP has been blocked. Active Banana (^bananaphone 20:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose On basis of evidence presented above. Weak on account of having been canvassed for some reason. --Cybercobra (talk) 19:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• For what its worth: googlenews hits:
  • "Girls' Generation" + Jessica + Jung = zero
  • "Girls' Generation" + Jessica -Jung = 1
• utilizing the "version of the name most commonly used by reliable sources in English" we would apparently stick with the current name Jessica (entertainer). Active Banana (^bananaphone 19:59, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose As far as I can tell, we only make exceptions from the name "clearly most commonly used in the English-language references" when the disambig would be too convoluted, eg if there was another popular singer whose stage name was Jessica. ErikHaugen (talk) 22:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Just so it's clear "Jessica" is short for "Jessica Jung". So there is no need for "Jessica (entertainer)". 222.168.10.166 (talk) 22:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I realize her name is Jessica Jung - "short for" doesn't mean we can just use the longer name. The point is that she is known as "Jessica" not "Jessica Jung", so we want the article title to be "Jessica". I also realize parenthetical disambiguations are unfortunate - so we have to choose between the two evils of parenthetical disambiguations and a title that is a name that the person is not known as. At wikipedia we choose the parenthetical disambiguation (usually). It's like Dido (singer) instead of Dido Armstrong. If you can establish that she is normally known as "Jessica Jung" then we're in business. ErikHaugen (talk) 23:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• oppose The current title seems to respond to her stage name (and the name as it appears on the first two GG albums) and the reason for her notability. She is not overwhelmingly famous since another JY appears in the first few hits for just JY. Another set of Google numbers:
  • +"Jessica" +"Girls' Generation" 492,000
  • +"Jessica Jung" +"Girls' Generation" 30,800
  • +"Jessica" +"Girls' Generation" -"Jessica Jung" 458.000

A lot of the extra hits for J will be informal references so one cannot read too much into this, but there is certainly no evidence to justify the move. I also buy the argument that Madonna provides a good precedent. I think the name should stay as J(e) until there is a substantial addition to her activities, such as screen credits as JY or song credits as Y. Mirokado (talk) 22:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Just so it's clear "Jessica" is short for "Jessica Jung". So there is no need for "Jessica (entertainer)". 222.168.10.166 (talk) 22:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Jessica is a disambiguation page with seventeen possibilities including J(e) so there is very clearly need for the parentheses.— Mirokado (talk) 23:00, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood - nobody is suggesting that we move Jessica (entertainer) to Jessica. That would be insane. ErikHaugen (talk) 23:09, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Support. I get what they're saying, that her full name is Jessica Jung. Newsen addresses her as Jessica Jung as well as her single name Jessica, so both names are valid. It's weird because her sister's page is titled Krystal Jung, commonly known as "Krystal". There is another artist that has Nicole Jung on her page title, but she is commonly known as "Nicole". MomoXomo (talk) 03:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Note: Newsen doesn't addresses her as Jessica Jung. Most of the Newsen articles on this 2 pages refer to Jessica Alba and Jessica Gomez. Only one of the articles is speaking from the "Jung sisters". If you search just for 제시카 you see that all articles of the first page are about Girls' Generation's Jessica. --Christian140 (talk) 08:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - the evidence presented supports the current name. Even though her fullname is Jessica Jung, it appears that she is commonly known as only Jessica. Since she is not the primary usage of her common name it must be disambiguated somehow. We have 2 options, last name or (entertainer). Since no evidence has been presented that she is known by her last name, we should use the other disambiguator. ~~ GB fan ~~ 05:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
• Doesn't her Wikipedia page address her as Jessica Jung??

Jessica Jung (Korean name: Jung Su-yeon; Hangul: 정수연; Hanja: 鄭秀妍; born April 18, 1989), better known by her stage name Jessica, is an American singer, dancer, and a musical theatre / television actress. She is a member of the South Korean girl group Girls' Generation.

So technically her own article is evidence of her name being Jessica Jung, even her Korean Name box has 제시카 정 (Jessica Jung) in it.

Korean name
Hangul	정수연
Hanja	鄭秀妍
Revised Romanization	Jeong Su-yeon
McCune–Reischauer	Chŏng Suyŏn
Birth name
Hangul	제시카 정
Revised Romanization	Jesika Jeong
McCune–Reischauer	Chesik'a Chŏng

Can someone explain Krystal Jung, commonly known as "Krystal" and Nicole Jung, commonly known as "Nicole"? These pages seem to have "Jung" in the title of their pages and they go by their first name as well. MomoXomo (talk) 04:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Well maybe someone should look to move those to their common name also like this one is. ~~ GB fan ~~ 04:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

But both pages address the artists by their entire stage name. So why cut it down to just their first names? MomoXomo (talk) 04:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

No one is disputing that her full name is Jessica Jung, but as the lead of the article says: "better known by her stage name Jessica". But in any case, the Wikipedia article is evidence of nothing. It can, of course, be edited by anyone to say just about anything. PC78 (talk) 11:42, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually the lead off the article says [Jessica Jung (Korean name: Jung Su-yeon; Hangul: 정수연; Hanja: 鄭秀妍; born April 18, 1989)]. So yes the article is evidence because it uses Jessica Jung a few times, so does her band and band members articles. MomoXomo (talk) 13:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not evidence of anything. Wikipedia cannot use itself as a source. PC78 (talk) 14:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, so then why is it in her article? If Jessica Jung isn't her real name then it shouldn't be anywhere on Wikipedia. MomoXomo (talk) 20:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

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Regarding other article names

I believe that under Wikipedia conventions/rules, yes, Krystal's page should be under Krystal (entertainer) and Nicole under Nicole (entertainer). Nicole's case is a bit more debatable, because (I think) she was not officially just "Nicole" until more recently; also, the rest of the Kara members use their last name professionally. SKS (talk) 18:17, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Until the media and the public get tired of these vanity monikers, we will need to attempt to apply the guidelines we have in a manner that best reflects what the use in reliable sources is. Active Banana (^bananaphone 18:37, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Current photo

The current photo in the infobox is listed as "own work" released into the public domain. No way in hell is that true. It's merely a smaller version of the shot used here. That article also includes the true source of the photo. Someone either needs to change the licensing to fair use or delete what is clearly a infringing picture. DragonFury (talk) 22:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I nominated it for speedy deletion over at Commons as a copyright violation. ~~ GB fan ~~ 22:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

America missing

Although it states that she was born in San Francisco there is no reference the the United States as a country, just San Francisco, California instead of San Francisco[, California], United States as it would with any other nationality excluding British & Northern-Irish. --82.134.154.25 (talk) 15:38, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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Jessica (entertainer) → Jessica Jung – I open this RM once again. Most of Girl's Generation members are given in this style and per WP:NCP. There are some people named Jessica who also work as singes and/or actresses so Jessica (entertainer) is not very clear. Moreover, F(x) members Victoria Song, Amber Liu, Krystal Jung and Kara member Nicole Jung are also credited in this style Morning Sunshine (talk) 01:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Survey

• Support, per Huffington Post and Philippine Inquirer. The subject is an American citizen, and the article says that "Jessica Jung" is her birth name. In that case, WP:NCP applies. Be that as it may, "Jung" is "natural disambiguation" and therefore preferable to parenthetical disambiguation, per WP:PRECISION. As the nom says, the subject is not the only entertainer named "Jessica." Kauffner (talk) 10:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Jung Soo-Yeon as birth name

Isn't her real name Jessica, and "Soo-Yeon" just her Korean (non-official) name? Kind of like "Mi-Yeong" is with Tiffany? Korean Wikipedia [4] seems to confirm this, referring to Jessica Jung as her birth (본명; bonmyeong) name. MadMagFreak (talk) 23:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as nobody's challenged this, I'll go ahead and make the change. MadMagFreak (talk) 02:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

The California Birth Index gives her birth name as "Jessica Sooyoun Jung" [5]. I can't speak Korean, but from what I understand the spelling "Sooyeon" would not have existed before Revised Romanization was introduced in 2000. In any case, the spelling on the California birth certificate would be whatever her parents wanted. Krystal's entry gives the exact spelling from the California Birth Index ("Chrystal Soo Jung") as her birth name, so I suggest doing the same. GagHalfrunt (talk) 13:10, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Jessica Jung is not American or Korean-American...per guidelines and the main body of the article... Resolved but needs attention.

It has long been established that place of birth does not dictate nationality. People have been adding American to the lead whilst not consulting the relevant guidelines here & here. Jung is notable as a Korean. Not as a Korean American. Not for being born in America. There is nothing in the main body of the article to suggest she is Korean-American or that her American birth is notable enough for the lead as it currently stands. Unless she is an American citizen or has a personal preference to being Called Korean-American, it's not going in...because it can't. Find some sources, and no - a source which describes her as Korean-American but doesn't come from her own mouth is not good enough as it would grossly misrepresent the article contents. This is a simple matter of guidelines that need to be respected. /: --Τασουλα (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not very knowledgeable on the whole K-pop scene so if someone could hunt for some sources we can all be happy & clear this up. -__- --Τασουλα (talk) 13:27, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

(Talking to oneself again) I re-added Korean American (Or should it be Korean-American?) to the lead as it's not exactly clear as to how Jung personally identifies, but my explanation as to why American does not go in the lead simply based on her place of birth still stands. If someone could find some better sources it would appreciated, but I can't see that happening any-time soon - refs for Asian Idols/Singers/Stars are notoriously hard to come by! --Τασουλα (talk) 15:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

• "Korean-American" implies she was at some point a Korean citizen and later naturalized as American. She is certainly not that. She was born in San Francisco and moved to Korea when she was 11.[6] Kauffner (talk) 01:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it implies that at all. Korean American are "Americans of Korean descent". And by virtue of being born in the United States is thus an American citizen. In the common usage, the Hyphenated American can mean both ethnicity or nationality. She is Korean by ethnicity, American by nationality. As for notability to mention in lead: in Korean media, she is regularly known to be American along with her sister - which helps her international appeal as a member of the group. I don't have a Korean media source, but at least on in English here [7]. I expect as soon as you remove it, someone would just re-add it again cause fans are super-sensitive to being "right". Evaders99 (talk) 02:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Girls Generation departure

So since news broke out about her being let go from the group should it be noted or should we wait for more information and or statements from other group members? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonmana (talk • contribs) 22:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Name

Jessica's official birth name is Jessica Sooyoun Jung (rather than Sooyeon). We can indicate her Korean name as Jung Sooyeon, but the spelling for her birth name should stay identical to the reference. Please don't change it back. Thanks.--TerryAlex (talk) 03:43, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2015

I'm writing from the marketing department of Jessica Jung's brand BLANC & ECLARE to request a change of the main photo. I have a replacement photo but as our Wiki account is new and has not been confirmed yet, I am unable to upload directly. Please contact me for additional information, including the mew photo we would like to use. Thank you. gina.sung@blancgroup.com Blancandeclare (talk) 21:03, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: The image will need to be uploaded following the process here as it is almost guaranteed the phot will be held under copyright, without the donation of the material (which will release it for use by others which can not then be revoked) we will be unable to use the file. Amortias (T)(C) 21:21, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

American or Korean-American?

To be clear, Jessica is American. She was born in America hence she is American. Just because she's not white doesn't mean that her bio section should include the "Korean" adjective. Yes, she is of Korean heritage, but she is still American. It's not a coincidence that Europeans born in the USA are referred to as American in the wikipedia pages. Why am I not surprised. Ethnicity is not supposed to be mentioned in the opening paragraph. That's the wikipedia standard.Ducati748 (talk) 22:24, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't she have dual citizenship? Besides, hyphenated nationalities isn't strange or unheard of in America. We have Japanese-Americans, Irish-Americans, African-Americans, Chinese-Americans, etc. 174.125.95.219 (talk) 17:40, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Name

She is not known as Jessica Jung in Korean media. Policy dictates that it should be under Jessica, like Madonna (entertainer) and Usher (entertainer). Is there any reason to keep it under Jessica Jung? SKS (talk) 05:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Of course there is a reason and yes she is known as Jessica Jung (in fact if you were to google Jessica you wouldn't even find Jessica Jung), but not all the time she is both Jessica Jung and Jessica (which is for short) other wise why would she have a real name Jung Soo Yun. Jessica (entertainer) should only be used when there aren't any alternative names and there is an alternative in this case, being used as a redirect which is quite silly. EunSoo (talk) 06:48, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if it's about Girls' Generation she is called just "Jessica". On the official website here "Jung" isn't even mentioned. --Dr. Crisp (talk) 10:23, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree, Using the Generic "Jessica" will actually have conflicts with other articles that bear such name . And this is her screen name, not her actual name so it's more better to add her last name to differ her with artists that bear the similar name. And It's the standard format for writing a biography article, you can't always compare it to American and European counterparts since they more unique screen names than what they had in Korea (ie. Lady Gaga, Martin Garrix). (Penguin330) (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Update and Expand?

I may have not started working on this for a short while but I have noticed this article needs a little update (and oh, the main photo of course, looks pretty outdated IMO) and re-check some references if links to web sites exist. That would be pretty awesome to know this is worked on. ~Penguin330 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penguin330 (talk • contribs) 07:04, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

"Jessica Jung known professionally as Jessica"

Is it necessary to add "known professionally as Jessica" after her full name in the first sentence? I understand that she is known by her first name only but as it is exactly the same as her real first name and not a different stage name in my opinion it looks redundant and unnecessary to include this. See articles for other performers known by their first names such as Madonna (entertainer) or Beyoncé only their full name is stated once in the first sentence.

I think a sentence like this is only necessary when they have a different stage name such as Lady Gaga.

I tried to change it but someone else changed it back. Can someone please explain why this is necessary? 118.208.88.188 (talk) 01:23, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

i really miss she in gg Wanfarizzul (talk) 11:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Tencent QQ

Please help to discuss whether this f=bofangjiaodian source is reliable or not. I am not familiar with the website so I cannot comment much, but from what I have heard, it's just something similar to itunes and insignificant. If it's not reliable, then we should have it taken out. Thanks!--TerryAlex (talk) 23:03, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think any Chinese record charts are recommended for use on Wikipedia. This was last discussed in September 2015: Wikipedia talk:Record charts/Archive 12#Charts for Chinese language countries. Charts/sales from a single vendor aren't recommended. Random86 (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Tencent QQ is one of the largest music steaming sites in China, with 829 million active accounts, it's ranked 9 in Alexa Internet world wide and second in China, it terms of reliability, the site is reliable. Since last year (I don't know if they sell something before that) they started selling albums/singles from artist like BIGBANG, Jay Chou and other artists including Jessica. They sell digital albums, and as far as I know, digital albums are still consider an album sales. GD.BB (talk) 12:17, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't think you can compare it like that. The main QQ.com looks like the China equivalent search portal of Yahoo or Naver. Considering the population of China, it might rank high on Alexa, but its reliability is still questionable. The real concern here, however, is that charts/sales from a single vendor aren't recommended to be included on Wikipedia.--TerryAlex (talk) 04:04, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I still don't know what is not reliable about the company! can you please explain it to me? The problem with Chinese music market is that they don't have one main chart to collect all the sales digital or physical, like Billboard or Gaon! but I don't see it as a reason for not taking the sales from the largest music market in China. GD.BB (talk) 07:12, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I think the point is that, like iTunes, it's a single vendor/retailer. There's no way to really get an independent review of their process. You might see WP:CHART for an idea of good charts, mainly that they be from reliable sources and covers sales from multiple sources. They generally have a certification agency to verify those sales. Even American companies like Amazon do not make this list. Evaders99 (talk) 07:26, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Comment High rank on Alexa does not determine the reliability of the source. Facebook is an example. Simon (talk) 16:53, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2016

Jung Soo Yeon/Sooyeon. 정수연. I'm out

61.238.60.172 (talk) 13:05, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 13:48, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2016

Her Korean name is not Jung Sooyoun, Her name is Jung Sooyeon.

61.238.60.172 (talk) 13:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Her name is already listed at "other names" as "Jeong Su-yeon" or "Jung Soo-yeon" — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 15:22, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Sooyeon vs Sooyoun

Jessica's native Korean name is 정수연 which translates directly to Jeong Su-yeon > Jung Soo-yeon, respectively. Although there is even a reference in the article stating that her parents named her Sooyoun. Therefore I think it is only right to adhere to the reference until we know any otherwise. Abdotorg (talk) 16:26, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Source:

Agreed, and to add: she was born in the United States so her birth name is what is on her birth certificate, which is Sooyoun. DragonFury (talk) 18:45, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Removal of dating news

[As Jessica is dating the CEO of the company she is currently signed to, perhaps, it can be briefly be mentioned here.] But for future references, I started a discussion about this topic here. Please help to discuss. Thank you.--TerryAlex (talk) 14:32, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Change her main image on her article page

Her article's main image is from 2016. It is 2018 now. Fairyland (her fansite) has a Twitter and an official website with thousands of pictures of Jessica Jung which have been clicked by her. Fairyland has it stated on her website that those pictures can be used anywhere as long as the original source is cited. Fairyland's Twitter page has these recent images, any one of which can be used as Jessica's main article image instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesstan01 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a strict policy on image use - it must have an explicit free license or released into the public domain - see WP:IUP#COPYRIGHT Evaders99 (talk) 19:54, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Blanc & Eclare

The information relating to Jessica's brand "Blanc & Eclare" was recently deleted by a user because he felt it was "blantant advertising". How is it "blatant advertising"? Jung is a fashion designer and this is her brand. I believe it is necessary to include details regarding Blanc & Eclare because she is the Founder and Creative Director of the brand, spending much of her time on it. None of the information stated encouraged anybody to purchase anything from the brand. It was neutral and descriptive. I would like another editor to go through the recently removed content relating to the brand, and judge whether it was "blatant advertising" that warranted the whole section to be deleted. Any undesired lines can be removed, but deleting the whole section does not make any sense, considering the fact that many reputable sources were used. "The Row" by the Olsen twin sisters, "The Jessica Simpson Collection" etc are examples that were used to write the section for "Blanc & Eclare". Jesstan01 (talk) 20:49, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Blanc & Eclare is already mentioned in the article, it doesn’t need an entire section with, yes, blatant advertising. You can’t compare B&E with the examples you just stated; both of those are have their own articles therefore it’s obvious they would contain more information on the brands. B&E doesn’t have an article (presumably because it isn’t notable enough to warrant one) and there’s no need for more than what is already written Alexanderlee (talk) 20:56, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@Alexanderlee: "Advertisements are messages paid for by those who send them and are intended to inform or influence people who receive them, as defined by the Advertising Association of the UK." None of the information written for B&E fits this description. And I highly doubt the meaning of advertising changes according to whether the information is in a section or in an article. No example of this "blatant advertising" has been given yet. What exactly is the problem of having more information about Jessica's own brand in her own article? I'm quite new here, so kindly enlighten me.

Occupations

Thinking about these recent edits a bit more and I can see a case for including fashion designer as one of Jessica's occupation but before we do I would like to discuss it a bit further. My initial opinion was that she made her name as a singer and actress and her activities with B&E are an extension of that. By that reasoning singer and actress should be listed in the infobox and fashion designer mentioned separately in the header and main article. However, B&E has been up and running for four years now and does seem to a full fledged brand now. DragonFury (talk) 13:32, 29 December 2018 (UTC)