Talk:Jesu, der du meine Seele, BWV 78

Did you know nomination

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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 09:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that in Jesu, der du meine Seele, BWV 78, Bach's chorale cantata first performed on 10 September 1724, a passacaglia opening contasts with a "smile-inducing" duet, according to John Eliot Gardiner? Source: [1]
  • Reviewed: Bernlef
  • Comment: Dilemma: I'd like to offer this - or a better hook, help welcome - on 10 September, but it is not yet a GA.

Improved to Good Article status by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2118 past nominations.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC).

• I'm here from a message on my talk page. I'm glad I helped inspire this hook in a small way. "Contasts" should be "contrasts", however. I thought it'd be best to post that here ... Graham87 (talk) 14:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

The hook is prime for a trimming and probably does not meet WP:DYKINT due to being too reliant on unfamiliar names and terminology (apart from Bach himself). Suggesting a much simplified hook below:

ALT1 ... that Bach's cantata Jesu, der du meine Seele is only seemingly distantly related to the Sunday readings it was originally written for?

I was also considering proposing a hook about the chorale's relationship to Galatians/Luke and the Passion of Jesus, but I couldn't think of a clear wording. Also pinging 4meter4 or CurryTime7-24 for additional hook suggestions and/or hook wordsmithing owing to their expertise in classical music. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping me in mind. Please give me until tomorrow to study the article and come up with potential alternative ALTs. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Please see my proposed alternatives below:

ALT2: ... that conductor John Eliot Gardiner referred to a duet in Johann Sebastian Bach's cantata, Jesu, der du meine Seele, as "smile-inducing music"?

ALT3: ... that Johann Sebastian Bach's cantata, Jesu, der du meine Seele, depicted sin with "audacious harmonies"? Source: [2] ("The third and fourth movements—an extended recitative and an aria—once again reveal new worlds of sonority: Bach allocated them to the tenor voice which, in his vocal works, is often symbolic of the sinful human being. With its eloquent expressivity and audacious harmonies, the recitative emphasizes man's inborn sinfulness..."

Hope these are of some help! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added "composer" to ALT2 since Gardiner is probably not a name that readers would recognize. I've struck the original hook; this is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Re alt 2: John Eliot Gardiner is a conductor, not a composer. Graham87 (talk) 08:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Just noting that this article wasn't eligible at time of nomination, however it did pass GA a couple of days ago so it is now eligible. Full review needed.--Launchballer 08:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

(if I may add this:) It is on the Main page only because this took too long to be processed. The day is today, or rather was 1 September , the anniversary of the occasion, - anything later than today would have fooled our audience. I should have withdrawn when PHFLai made the OTD blurb, but had a few other things on my mind, sorry about that. Note to self: make it FA. DYK is too poor to express the greatness of this piece anyway. Patience for the "smile-inducing", Graham. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

The article is currently on the WP:Main page as a bold link in the WP:On this day section, making it ineligible for WP:DYK for one year per WP:DYKNEW. TompaDompa (talk) 09:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Jesu, der du meine Seele, BWV 78/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Gerda Arendt (talk · contribs) 20:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: 750h+ (talk · contribs) 02:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Starting review. 750h+ 02:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

prose

lead

• The cantata is scored for four four vocal soloists "four" is used twice. this sounds a bit weird "for four four".

history and words

• stanzas 3–5, the forth to stanzas i think you mean "fourth"

music

• Bach structured the cantata cantata in seven "cantata" is used twice
• the scoring and keys and time signatures ==> "the scoring, keys and time signatures"
• In it is also used in the remove "in" and capitalise "it"

manuscripts and publication

• The first set of part ==> "The first set of parts"

recordings

no problems here

other

• sources and images look good. address my other concerns and i'll be happy to pass! 750h+ 04:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for thorough reading, - I hope I fixed all these sloppy mistakes, written under pressure to meet a deadline ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

haha, happy to pass for GA! Congrats! 750h+ 06:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

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