Talk:Jewish Brigade

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More than just a good start, you've included pictures, cited sources, and even included a list of notable members. However, the article is still quite short overall, as is the intro. Also, in the intro, it says that they fought the "Nazi Axis Powers". This seems a bit awkward to me. Are you implying that all the Axis Powers were Nazis? Might be better to say they fought against "Nazi Germany" or "the Axis Powers"... LordAmeth 07:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Assasination of Germans

Why does this article say nothing about the after war assasination of Germans by the Jewish Brigade and other subversive actions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.45.96.167 (talk) 16:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC).

If you've got the source material, please feel free to add it yourself. Ekki01 17:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

What about this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/jewish-brigade-shot-nazi-prisoners-in-revenge-1191139.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.236.224.132 (talk) 12:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

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Background section

Two notes:

• The section says that the disintegration of Turkey inspired a renewal in the pursuit of the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. There had never been a diminishment in the effort to create a Jewish state (or 'National Home') and activity toward trying to achieve it was intensified long before the end of the war. Note that the Balfour Declaration was produced in 1917, before the British occupied Palestine. It is also worth stating that it came out after, not before, the United States had entered the war (though, not against Turkey [and, in fact, Zionist members of the United States government stopped an American attempt to negotiate an end to Turkey's involvement in the war, which would have prevented the genocide against Armenians]).
• The White Paper didn't mark the abandonment of the intention to partition Palestine. There had been no intention to partition Palestine in the first place.

-- ZScarpia (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I tried to "correct" these. Ceedjee (talk) 16:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I was hoping that someone would make some changes. -- ZScarpia (talk) 18:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

On the second point, I'd better correct myself. The Peel Report recommended the partition of Palestine and that became official Government policy for a short while. The Woodhead Commission, a commision of inquiry assembled to examine how the Peel Commission recommendations could be put into practice, reached the conclusion, reported in the Palestine Partition Report of 1938, that partition could not be put into practice. The White Paper of May 1939 could be seen as the official end of Government support for partition as policy. -- ZScarpia (talk) 02:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

http://www.jewishmag.com/138mag/koenig_jewish_brigade/koenig_jewish_brigade.htm http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005275

The fighting was done by a Jewish Palestine Regiment of the British Army in the Middel East. It was one of three Jewish and one Palestinian Arab battalion forned in 1941-42. The regiment fought in Egypt and in the battles of North Africa.

Rdmnurse (talk) 01:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)Rdmnurse, January 31, 2011

Dubious

400 volunteers from the Brigade fought in Libya in the battle of Bir-el Harmat.

Those volunteers could not be from the Brigade that was created later -- please, verify there citizenship and who they were subordinate to (Free France? Palestine Regiment?) The citizainship of the volunteers is especially under doubt (French? British?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.157.47 (talk) 06:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC) Impossible. The battle was fought in June 1942--two years before the Jewish Brigade was formed. . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaptech (talk • contribs) 07:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

This story is based on the book Forgotten Ally by Pierre van Paasen, 1943. Unfortunately he sold this story as a factual event and many serious authors believed and copied it. The original story played at Mechili, but some autors moved it to Bir el Harmat. The story could never be confirmed by any second source. Mechili was at the time occupied by axis forces and Bir el Harmat is so close to Bir Hakeim that it is impossible that the French forces didn't know about the existence of this Brigade there. Other source even put Rommel's HQ at Bir el Harmat at the same time. I would say: Myth busted. --Jerryscuba (talk) 07:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

The contemporary newspapers dismissed it as a "token" (The New York Times on page 12) and "five years late" (The Manchester Guardian).

Is that a fair and truthful account of those reports? I found this from Google Books: Jewish Brigade: An Army with Two Masters 1944-45

The Agency was particularly gratified by the support shown among the British Media. The New Statesman and Nation, for one, said:

Early in 1940 the Zionist movement won Churchill's assent for the creation of a Jewish Army. Though units of Palestine Jews fought well in North Africa and Italy, the policy of appeasing the Arabs stood in the way. This week the idea is to be realised. The Jewish Brigade group. with its own infantry, artillery and auxiliary troops, will be formed. Late though this comes, we welcome this victory of anti-semitic prejudice.

And from the Manchester Guardian:

The announcement that a Jewish Brigade will fight with the British Army is welcome, if five years late. Once regrets that the British Government has been so slow to seize a great opportunity.

I'm not sure that "on page 12" even qualifies as a valid citation. Anyway, the tone of the Manchester Guardian is hardly dismissive it seems to me, although the reports of Arab appeasement,anti-semitic prejudice and government lethargy echo down the years.

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