Talk:Jhangvi dialect
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Discussion about the article is always welcomed on this page. Abulfazl 12:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Jhangochi + Rachnavi
editBoth should be merged but Jhangochi should be main head line.--Khalid Mahmood (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2010 (UTC) Jangli also be merged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.135.54.32 (talk) 07:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
yes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.135.54.32 (talk) 08:44, 28 March 2011 (UTC) yes these be merged as soon as — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.186.48.204 (talk) 07:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
jhangochi is a dialect of punjabi, it is not a dialect of saraiki
editAll provrbs and language and grammer of this language show that it is form of punjabi. Reference punjabi language. i am native of district jhang and my native accent is jhangochi. jhangochi is more close to punjabi than saraiki .we people call our language as punjabi not saraiki.(Sarmad Sheikh,jhang)
I agree with Sarmad that jhanvi is a dialect of punjabi Saraikistan (talk) 07:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Saraiki people classify it as a dialect of Saraiki language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.186.89.140 (talk) 09:56, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello 182.186.89.140
You are confusing Saraiki with Lahnda (Western Punjabi) in George A. Grierson research (Please refer Page 137 Volume 1 Part 1) . There were six categories of Lahnda (Westren Punjabi) not of Saraiki as per George A. Grierson research.
1. Multani(Now called Standard Saraiki which is spoken in six Districts Multan,Lodhran,Bahawalpur,Rahimyar khan,DG Khan,Rajanpur )
2. Thalli (Now included in Saraiki which is spoken in six Districts Muzzafargarh,Layah,Bhakar,DI khan,Tank and Laki Marwat),
3. North Westren lahnda (Not Saraiki because it is now recognized as a separate language "Hindko" which is spoken in parts of Province KPK)
4. Khetrani/Jafri (is not Saraiki because it is now recognized as a "separate language" spoken in parts of Province Baluchistan)
5. North Eastren lahnda (is not Saraiki because it is a Punjabi dialect as recognized by natives in Pakistan Census 1998 known as "Potowari" spoken in Rawalpindi Division).
6. Standard Lahnda (is not Saraiki because it is a cluster of Punjabi dialects as recognized by natives in Pakistan Census 1998 which are known as "Shahpuri/Jhangvi/Jangli/Dhani" spoken in 15 Districts Khanewal, Jhang, Toba tek singh, Chaniot, Sargodha, Khaushab, Mianwali, Vehari, Bahwalnagar,Pakpattan,Okara,Sahiwal,Mandi Bahudin, Chakwal, Hafizabad ). Please refer to chart provided below on the this Talk page namely (Language Breakup as per 1998 Pakistan Census of Districts of South and Central Punjab) Saraikistan (talk) 11:41, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
See the local source of jhang people http://www.findpk.com/cities/Explorer-pakistan-Jhang.html which clearly shows "Jhangochi (also known as Jhangi) is a very old dialect of Punjabi Language, it has a widespread area starting from Khanewal at both ends of Ravi and Chenab ending into Gujranwala District. Almost the whole area shares the same tradition and culture. There are different aspects of the Jhangochi dialect of the Punjabi language and also the great culture of this area which created the romance stories of Heer Ranjha and Mirza Sahiba.Famous Sufi saint Darbar Hazarat Sultan Bahu's poetry is also in the same Punjabi dialect."
- as per references in the article and National census 1998 Jhangvi is not a saraiki dialect but Punjabi. Search on google Jhang and see what is language of the Jhang. Blog is not RS as per WP
I m from Faisal abad and we native people use Jatki word for our Punjabi dialect. Jatki dialects is spoken in bar region of Punjab. It is also spoken in Fazilka district of Indian Punjab. It is spoken by Indigenous people of Vehari, Khanewal, Bahawalnagar, Sargodha,Mandi Bahauddin,Hafizabad, Faisal abad, Jhang,Chiniot, TT Singh, Sahiwal,Okara & Pakpatan districts. It is also spoken in few areas of Sheikhpura, Muzafargarh, Lodhran and Bahawalpur.
Awan the great (talk) 16:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Language Breakup as per 1998 Pakistan Census of Districts of South and Central Punjab
edit| District | Population | Punjabi % | Saraiki % | Others % |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Vehari | 2,090,000 | 82.9 | 11.4 | 5.7 |
| Khanewal | 2,068,000 | 81.2 | 11.6 | 7.2 |
| Multan | 3,116,000 | 21.64 | 60.67 | 17.69 |
| Bahawalpur | 2,433,000 | 28.4 | 64.3 | 7.3 |
| Rahim yar khan | 3,141,000 | 27.3 | 62.6 | 10.1 |
| Mianwali | 1,056,000 | 74.2 | 12.0 | 13.8 |
| Okara | 2,233,000 | 98.99 | 0.01 | 1.00 |
| Sahiwal | 1,843,000 | 98.10 | 0.01 | 1.89 |
| Bahawal Nagar | 2,062,000 | 95.2 | 3.1 | 1.7 |
| Lodhran | 1,171,000 | 18.6 | 69.6 | 11.8 |
| Muzaffar Garh | 2,635,000 | 7.4 | 86.3 | 6.3 |
| Layyah | 1,122,000 | 34.6 | 62.3 | 3.1 |
| Bhakar | 1,051,000 | 20.0 | 73.0 | 7.0 |
| DG Khan | 1,643,000 | 16.5 | 80.3 | 3.2 |
| Rajanpur | 1,103,000 | 13.3 | 75.8 | 10.9 |
| Chakwal | 1,083,000 | 97.7 | 0.2 | 2.1 |
| Chaniot | 965,000 | 95.9 | 0.8 | 3.3 |
| Hafizabad | 832,000 | 96.80 | 0.01 | 3.19 |
| Khaushab | 950,712 | 90.9 | 7.8 | 1.3 |
| Mandi Bahauddin | 1,161,000 | 95.9 | 0.1 | 4.0 |
| Pakpattan | 1,287,000 | 92.2 | 0.8 | 7.0 |
| Sargodha | 2,666,000 | 95.96 | 0.01 | 4.03 |
| Toba Tek Singh | 905,580 | 98.99 | 0.01 | 1.00 |
| Jhang | 2,834,000 | 95.9 | 0.8 | 3.3 |
RfC:Are Jhangvi dialect and Shah puri dialect are dialect of Saraiki language?
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Should Jhangvi dialect and Shah puri dialect be written as dialect of Saraiki language?182.186.10.116 (talk) 11:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- No It is different as per linguistic sources. Saraiki is not a language please see talk page consensus on Saraiki dialect page. 39.51.169.207 (talk) 17:23, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- There is already a discussion on exactly the same matter at Talk:Saraiki dialect#RfC: Is Saraiki language? - I have deactivated this RfC per WP:MULTI, so please can we have only one discussion. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:52, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Saraiki dialects
edit- Eastern Saraiki also called Dibhari Saraiki is spoken in Jhang and Sahiwal areas. Northern Saraiki is spoken in Chakwal, Pind Dadan Khan and Attock Southern Saraiki is spoken in Naseerabad, Sukkar and Khairpur. Central and Standard Saraiki is spoken in Multan, Bahawalpur, Dera Ghazi khan and Dera Ismail Khan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.186.69.39 (talk) 16:12, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
- What..........? 39.44.131.36 (talk) 13:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Dialect of Sahiwal
editIs the Jangli dialect the same as Jhangochi?
Montgomeryboy (talk) 19:56, 17 June 2017 (UTC)