Talk:Jim Elliot

Revert

Article was edited down to nothing. I reverted. Notthe9 05:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Outline

• Childhood/teenage years (Shadow of the Almighty)
• College
  • Call to missions (Through Gates of Splendor)
  • Relationship with Elisabeth Howard (Shadow of the Almighty)
• Ecuador
  • Initial work (Through Gates of Splendor)
  • Operation Auca (Various sources)

Are any other sources available? This shouldn't be an exceptionally long article, even when complete and FA-level. --Spangineer^es (háblame) 03:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Mistake

How does one "read vociferously"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.253.4.21 (talk • contribs).

Fixed—thanks. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 14:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Why did we delete my picture? User:JazzD

Please see WP:FU. In general, only free (as in speech) images are allowed on Wikipedia. There are some cases (known as "fair use") in which an image that is not free can be used (the logo of a company on the company's article, a book cover on the book's article, etc.), but in this situation fair use is not permitted. To illustrate this article, we need someone who owns the copyright of a photograph containing Jim Elliot to release the image with a free license (such as the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license). I've spoken with Steve Saint and Lars Gren (Elisabeth Elliot's husband) about getting these permissions, and have had no success. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 23:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Elliot and Calvinism

Can anyone speak to the subject of Elliot and Calvinism? He clearly expressed thoughts in his journal that Arminianism was "heresy" - but given his background, I'm not certain that he would have identified with established Calvinism, per se. Any thoughts?Brian0324 15:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Plymouth Brethren?

Though he was killed while on a mission with others who were Plymouth Brethren, the article does not mention whether Elliot considered himself to be Plymouth Brethren. If he did, it would be good to mention that detail. If he did not, is the category link still appropriate? (I see that the external link provides information about Elliot on a Brethren website, but nothing tells me he was Brethren.) Thanks! 69.30.97.248 22:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

-I know his parents were, not sure about Elliot himself 04:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Martyr?

This could be a debate - "is Jim Elliot a martyr of the Christian faith?" There are a several ways to look at this. By simple definition of the word martyr as "witness", he was decidedly such - as a witness in the sense of being an evangelist. Elisabeth Elliot disliked the word to describe him in her writings, fairly enough, because of the connotations that the word has - as if he was engaged in some kind of unusual or super-Christian activity that deserved special veneration, when, in fact, he was merely being obedient to the Great Commission given by Jesus, according to Elliot. However, speaking in terms of how Jim Elliot and the "Auca Martyrs" are remembered - the word is ubiquitous regardless of whether the Aucas knew that they were Christians or not. A source is not hard to find. If need be, it may be required just to end debate.Brian0324 16:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Clearly, the article shouldn't say "Jim Elliot was a martyr" because that's debatable. It is common, however, for people to consider him one. Finding a citation would be helpful. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 17:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

If many people consider him one then shouldn't that in itself be mentioned instead of saying he is one? Captain la rose (talk) 00:20, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The article doesn't say that he "is" one; it says that he became known as one. That much is true. Also, it's in the category of Christian martyrs, but that's more of a navigational aid, not necessarily a statement of fact. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 03:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Captain la rose (talk) 02:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Jim Elliot's children

I just viewed a video about a man who invented a flying car and he claims to be the son of Jim Elliot. He mentions the murder in Ecuador, his father's missionary activities and then states that his name is the same as his murdered father's - Jim Elliot. Please use this link to view the video. http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?bcpid=90015277001&bctid=635469588001

24.128.119.211 (talk) 02:05, 21 November 2010 (UTC)Lori Duvall, 11/20/10

Just a correction, while the name Jim Elliot is mentioned, the man says that Nate Saint was his dad in the video attached. Nate Saint was the missionary pilot also killed with Jim Elliot. This video could perhaps be attached to the article on Nate Saint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.228.238 (talk) 02:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Evangelistic, not evangelical

In the "Legacy" section, the article states that Elisabeth Elliot "continued evangelical work". The word "evangelical" refers to a theological stance with respect to the authority and interpretation of scripture. The word that should be used is "evangelistic", which refers to the activity of proselytising. PPOM (talk) 13:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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Comments: Suggest the lead section be increased. Also if references from another source could be located, that would be preferable. Addhoc 18:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 18:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 19:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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