Talk:Jimmy White's 2: Cueball/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Abryn (talk · contribs) 16:25, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

 Comment: added more specific fair use rationale template to the file page of the cover art. Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 18:17, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Heck, you're getting ahead of me!! - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 19:10, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• Allister Brimble is mentioned in the infobox, but not in the actual article.
  • Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• Are there any details of who composed it for PS1 and GBC?
  • He did the lot, changed. Not sure why it was listed differently. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• In the lead, it's probably best to just have the year of release.
  • Never understood why we do that for video games. A lot can happen in a year. I would have thought 6 months between releases would be notable. But, I have changed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• Why is the Game Boy Color release mentioned separately from the other releases?
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Gameplay

• It's identified in the infobox as a multi-player game, but the multi-player mode is not mentioned here. Are there other modes of play that go unmentioned?
  • Added into prose. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• Consider changing the identification of elements as "humorous" to something more neutral.
  • Changed to comic. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• Looking it up, I found a source that displays a rumor that it would come to the Dreamcast with online play. Did this ever come to fruition? [1]
  • I can't find a single source that confirm or deny, sadly. Would love to know one way or another, but I'm not sure the link above is enough to comment on (everything else I've read doesn't mention it). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Development

• "The game was originally made to be promoted by a different publisher, however," > "The game was originally made to be promoted by a different publisher; however,"  Done

Reception

• Try to trim down quotation and focus on summary.
• "Dreamcast version of the game" add a comma after game
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:22, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• "All the fun of Pool, without the bar fight." - Cut this line, doesn't deal with reception
  • Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:22, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• I noticed that mobygames documents a review of the GBC game by Video Games magazine, but the link to the scans is dead. I think it would be extremely valuable to source this, as it appears to be the only reliable source that I could find on the GBC version's quality.
  • Indeed, I have asked at WT:VG#magazine source though. Hopefully it comes up Millhouse. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:22, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
    • https://www.kultpower.de/archiv/heft_videogames_se_2001_seite46 - I've chucked through google translate, which has: "After implementations by dreamcast and playstation, the world-famous snooker king is now making GameBoy olor's debut. View varied game modes to choose from: Straight pool, 8-ball, 9-ball and Snooker. The rules are briefly and briefly described in the manual. The CPU is either played alone or alternately against a human opponent.

In comparison to the pro pool, the tiny balls appear somewhat colorless and are also animated without a hitch. We do not want to keep silent about the annoying thinking phases of the CPU, which even cause the game to crash (it just freezes). There is little to complain about in terms of control and sound, even voice output is praised. Genre fans still prefer Codemasters Pro Pool" Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:06, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Sequels

• Most sequels have a date, but Pool Paradise has none.
  • added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:22, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• "and Jimmy White's Snooker Legend. in 2008." > "and Jimmy White's Snooker Legend in 2008."  Done

References

• The website Metro is not considered a reliable source.
  • removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• MobyGames is not considered a reliable source.
  • removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• In a small handful of cases, there appear to be missing years for magazine sources, such as with the C&VGUKM source. Can this be rectified?
  •  Working Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:06, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Images

• Please make sure to explain why it is not replaceable with free media, and what respect is made for commercial opportunities.

I think Ainz covered this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

• This may just be me, but having the image on the right makes the page look too busy on that side, and pushes it out of the relevant section. Consider aligning it to the left.
  • Changed to left. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Misc

• Inconsistent punctuation with quotation. I would suggest using ". instead of ." due to the release being European.
  • I don't think it's a European thing - I just had it wrong. Fixed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
• Make sure that you use either 'player' or 'players' unless there's a good reason to do both.
  • replaced. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

•  Comment: Please make sure to explain why it is not replaceable with free media, and what respect is made for commercial opportunities. - I believe it already has been addressed. The default fair use rationale is sufficient in my opinion. I wonder what Abryn thinks. Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Think I've got most of this, let me know Abryn. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: As it is, the only issue I have now is that it still feels like the Reception section relies too much on quotation. For example:

"UK Magazine Dreamcast Monthly said "in short this is an excellent game, and if snooker or pool is your thing and you're after the ultimate simulation, then this is it". They finished saying, "it's hardly cutting edge entertainment, but it's still a painstakingly accurate and mightily enjoyable experience"." You could instead write it as: "UK Magazine Dreamcast Monthly called it "excellent" and a good pick for people looking for a snooker or pool game, despite not being "cutting edge entertainment." - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 20:05, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

I've done a little bit of culling for the long quotes - let me know your thoughts Abryn Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:13, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Seems good now. Passing. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 20:39, 26 July 2020 (UTC)