Talk:João Sousa

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:João Sousa/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 02:14, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Since it's one of the five oldest GA noms, I'll give this a review. Wizardman 02:14, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Here are the issues I found:

• The lead as written feels like it's more about his Portuguese ranking rather than a summary of his life. It's nothing serious, I'd just take out some of the "first portuguese to x" blurbs and replace it with his journey towards becoming a professional and rise to prominence, since that would make the lead more of a summary of the article.
• The infobox says he turned pro in 2005, yet there's really nothing between then and 2011. Maybe there's not as much that he did back then, but it's still a glaring omission, especially given how long 2013 and 2014 are.
• "until he was 14, when he decided to skip football and medicine to pursue a professional tennis career." this is the first mention of medicine, which feels jarring. if it was another career he was looking into growing up, then make that more clear earlier on.
• "He stills practices there, as of 2014" That's all well and good, but given that's it a dated sentence that would have to be progressively updated, I'd replace it with something more permanent, such as "...where he still practiced after joining the ATP Tour."
• As noted above, the jump from 2005 to 2011 is
• When did he become an official part of ATP tours? His beginnings in that regard is missing, plus ATP should be linked and written out on first mention for the non-tennis savvy.
• "At 2012 Estoril Open," I'm seeing this throughout the article. Is that proper jargon for tennis? To me it should say "At the 2012 Estoril Open," which should be the case throughout the article.
• "tour level hard court tournament, at Chennai Open." rm comma. Also at the, see above. Correct each instance, since I'm not going to note every one given the volume.

In progress. I may continue this tonight, if not I'll wait until the above is resolved, since some of the issues are permeated throughout the article. Wizardman 01:57, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Here's more that I found:

• "through qualifying rounds." through the qualifying rounds, though I'm not sure if this is needed. If he was new to the tour then going through qualifying feels like a given to me.
• "In the main draw, Sousa lost in straight sets to Florian Mayer the 1st round.[29] This prompted him to return into the top 100" As written this feels strange; losing in the first round promotes you to the top 100? I get that it was due to passing qualifying, but it can all be structured better.
• "Sousa participated for Portugal Davis Cup team in Europe/Africa Zone Group II 1st round tie against Benin." I feel like there's a couple words missing in this sentence.
• "Then, he played his first clay court tournament of the season"

Reading through this shows a lot of the same issues over and over that I noted above. As a result, this should be sent to WP:GOCE for a copyedit. That combined with the missing information noted above tells me that this is not yet ready for GA status. If everything is cleaned up then it could be a GA, since the sourcing and the actual meat in his professional career is in good shape (it feels slightly overdetailed at times, but nothing serious). Until then, I'm closing this as a failed GA, since it will take time to both expand the article and get it cleaned up by an independent editor. Wizardman 01:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:João Sousa/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Royroydeb (talk · contribs) 10:28, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Royroydeb for taking the time to evaluate this GA nomination. Even though I am not as active as earlier this year, I look forward to working with you here. SOAD KoRn (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

• The birth date needs citation
  •  Done
• He is often nicknamed Conquistador - he is nicknamed/he is often called sounds better
  •  Done
• with the country's first king - make it "Afonso I, Portugal's first king"
  •  Done
• at age fifteen - at the age of fifteen
  •  Done
• to invest in his career - what does "invest" in career mean?
  • See Notes
• becoming the first player - becoming the first Portuguese player
  •  Done
• He is also the Portuguese player with the largest - this sentence needs to be reworded.
  • See Notes.
• Is his father still a judge or a former judge?
  • See Notes.
• Even though the source says that of he being a judge, you should find out where he is judge. I mean judge at a civil court or what?
  • See Notes.
• Portugal Under-14, Portugal Under-12 -why does under starts with a capital letter?
  •  Done
• Sousa also played football at local clubs Vitória de Guimarães - at local clubs such as
  •  Done
• "goal of studying medicine to pursue a professional tennis career" - one studies medicine to pursue a career in tennis?
  • See Notes.
• What is the National Training center?
  • See Notes.
• I still cannot understand why Sousa went to Spain, I mean were training facilities not enough in Portugal?
  • See Notes.
• one of his biggest mentors - remove biggest
  •  Done

RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I will address these issues later today. SOAD KoRn (talk) 13:51, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for any inconvenience caused by my delay. Real life matters have caught up with me lately. I intend to address your work this weekend. SOAD KoRn (talk) 15:06, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

• In 2008, Sousa began the season - "season, you mean year? Is that how you speak in tennis?

  Actually yes, it's called season. In fact in the recent past the season began in the last weeks of December. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

• The second sentence of the paragraph is unclear, needs to be reworded
  • I disagree. See comments on grammar below.
• The biggest surprise - "surprise" ?? Rewording is necessary
  •  Done
• "He reached two more doubles finals that year, winning a second title in August in Bakio." - This sentence needs to be reworded
  • I disagree. See comments on grammar below.
• Besides winning two more Futures doubles titles in three finals in Irun and Espinho - what does it mean?
  • See notes (part 2)
• "reached his first four singles finals" - what his four singles? A format of tennis? It needs to be linked then
  • See notes (part 2)
• "doubles titles in Lanzarote, Córdoba and two in Tenerife" - the partner's name needs to be mentioned
  • See notes (part 2)
• Sousa reached several milestones in 2011 - This sentence is unecessary
  • See notes (part 2)
• wildcard at the singles and doubles- make it "wildcard in both the singles and doubles"
  •  Done
• falling in the qualifying rounds at the Australian Open, Wimbledon and the US Open - it should be "but failed in the qualifying rounds of the Australian, US Open and the Wimbledon.
  •  Done, with minor modification
• In October, Sousa's participation at the Sabadell....-this sentence is unclear
  • See notes (part 2)
• losing to Albert Ramos - it should be "but lost to"
  • I disagree. See comments on grammar below.
• Ref 40 nowhere mentions that Sousa reached the quarter finals of an ATP tournament for the first time.
  •  Done thank you, I completely missed that one.
• to 20th seed - 20th seeded if I am not wrong
  • See notes (part 2)
• dead rubber—his last to date - "last to date" ?
  • See notes (part 2)
• In this same month, Sousa... - this sentence needs reqording
  • I disagree. See comments on grammar below.
• His role at the 2012 Davis Cup rose in importance - this is uncited.
  •  Done, see notes (part 2)

RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

After going through the rest of the article, I am sorry that this article doesnot deserve a full review. I suggest you to do a peer review. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 16:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I respect your opinion, but after waiting months for a GA review I would like you to expand on why this article does not deserve a full review. As I said before, I have been busy in my daily life lately and that has kept me from working on the article. I expect to start it today.

However, I see that many of your comments are on grammar. As you may see on the talk page, this article has already been copy-edited by the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. If that is the reason why you are saying it does not deserve a full review, I regret to tell that you but I will have to report your decision.

I will not put months of work and wait in jeopardy simply because of that. I'm sorry, but I believe you understand. SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I have to second SOAD KoRn here that this article shouldn't be quick failed. I have been monitoring the progress for a while and this article failed the first time for grammar issues because SK is not native in English (although very talented nonetheless). After the involvement of the Guild I don't think there are major options left in that regard. I would jump in myself but a) I have made occasional edits so I don't know if I'm allowed and b) I doubt my capacity to stick around on such a long article. '''tAD''' (talk) 22:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words, The Almightey Drill. I indeed feel that I am needing feedback on other aspects rather than grammar this time around. I was very pleased with the Guild's work here and I believe that the grammar concerns raised by Royroydeb are not significant enough to quick fail this. I would like to hear from him soon, but I am afraid that his prolonged absence might mean that he has given up reviewing the article? SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Notes

• "to invest in his career"
  • "to invest" here has the meaning of "to develop, to put an effort in"
• "He is also the Portuguese player with the largest"
  • I don't see any way of better phrasing here. Could you give me an idea?
• "goal of studying medicine to pursue a professional tennis career"
  • If you read the entire phrase, what it states is that he forego football activity and the goal of studying medicine to play tennis. Still, I rephrased it so that it is clearer now.
• "What is the National Training center?"
  • It's the former National Tennis Training center in Portugal. Added Tennis to the name to make it clearer.
• "I still cannot understand why Sousa went to Spain, I mean were training facilities not enough in Portugal?"
  • The phrase preceding it answers your question. The National Tennis Training Center closed and he was forced to move somewhere else. That's why he decided to go to Spain.
• "Even though the source says that of he being a judge, you should find out where he is judge. I mean judge at a civil court or what?"
  • I couldn't find any additional source to that. Regardless, I find it meaningless for the purpose of the article. This is about Joao's life, not his father's.

I will attend to the second part of your comments later today. SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Notes (Part 2)

• "Besides winning two more Futures doubles titles in three finals in Irun and Espinho - what does it mean?"
  • He won two doubles finals out of 3 he participated in Irun and Espinho.
• ""reached his first four singles finals..."
  • There is not link for singles in tennis here. However, singles/doubles are very common terms in individual sports. I am quite surprised they are not familiar to you. Still, I linked its first mention in the article for the general definition.
• "the partner's name needs to be mentioned"
  • I disagree. These titles are from minor leagues in tennis, most players are not notable, per WikiProject Tennis criteria.
• "Sousa reached several milestones in 2011 - This sentence is unecessary"
  • On the contrary, I believe it is useful so that readers know in advance that Sousa's 2011 season was highlighted with important moments in his career.
• "In October, Sousa's participation at the Sabadell....-this sentence is unclear"
  • Sousa participated in his last Futures tournament to date.
• "to 20th seed - 20th seeded if I am not wrong"
  • No, 20th seed is the correct term.
• "dead rubber—his last to date - "last to date" ?"
  • "last to date" --> most recent
• "His role at the 2012 Davis Cup rose in importance - this is uncited."
  • I added reference to Sousa's Davis Cup participation history. You can see there that his role changed from playing exclusively dead rubbers to taking part in 2 or 3 matches per round.

I addressed all your comments. SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:João Sousa/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 13:15, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi! I will be reviewing this in the next few days. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 13:15, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

This has improved considerably after the last two reviews. Here are my comments: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 15:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Lead

• Per the MOS the lead should be a summary of the major points of the article, and thus a subset of the main article. It seems it has some points that are absent in the main article.
• See that citations are kept only for potentially controversial points. All others are expected to be mentioned in the main article and sourced there itself.

Early and personal life

• Mention when he was born
  •  Done
• and Os Sandinenses until...after its closure. Source?
  •  Done
• He speaks fluently Portuguese... I think "He is fluent in..." sounds better
  •  Done, I agree

Pre-2008

• I think some consistency is needed in which locations are wikilinked and which not.
  •  Done, all locations are now wikilinked
• where he also reached his first singles final You mean "junior" singles final? Because he already has a title to his name by now.
  •  Done, I agree that the way it is might me misleading

2008–2012

• winning both singles dead rubbers he took part in over Philippos Tsangaridis from Cyprus I think there should be an emdash before "over"
  •  Done
• his last to date Better say something like "last as of 2016", we should be sure this remains updated
  •  Done
• becoming the fourth Portuguese player It was he and not his ranking that "became" this.
  •  Done

2013

• Despite being knocked out of both tournaments in the first round I think there is some overciting here, only two refs are used in similar cases elsewhere
• world number three Say "3" as you do elsewhere after "world number".
• former top 10 Jürgen Melzer former top 10 "ranker"?
• Say "World number" or "World no." And at some places you say "the then-world number" (which is understood, and need not be mentioned). There should be consistency in this.

2016

• He will next play at the Open Sud de France I think this was last edited in January 2016. Any updates since then?

Playing style

• as a tough opponent who never backs down from a fight Perhaps use some quote marks
• There don't seem to be any wikilinks here, you may try linking some tennis terms

Equipment and endorsements

• He criticized local government "the" local
• lack of support of sports other than football "to" sports

Sources

It seems some claims were found not to be in the cited source in the previous review, so I will check them as far as I can and advise you to do so as well.

• Is every point of the infobox sourced here or somewhere else?
• Sources for each table in "Career statistics" should be explicitly mentioned, probably in a line preceding the table.

@SOAD KoRn: Please respond. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 08:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Dear Sainsf, I apologize for not having come here sooner. Thank you for taking the time to review the article. Even today I will start attending to each one of your comments. Regards. SOAD KoRn (talk) 10:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Once again, I apologize for not delivering any comments today. It has been a long day of work, but tomorrow I will carefully work on every note you posted. Regards. SOAD KoRn (talk) 21:33, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

I thank you for your patience. Fortunately, this weekend I will finally have some time to work on the article. SOAD KoRn (talk) 04:14, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

@SOAD KoRn: Please respond. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 13:19, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I am right now working on it. Once again, I thank you for the patience. Regards. SOAD KoRn (talk) 22:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Later, I will attend to the remaining points and I will check all sources, as advised. SOAD KoRn (talk) 23:22, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

@SOAD KoRn: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 13:23, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

No response from the nominator since a week. Sorry but I will have to fail this. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 00:45, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

2017 completion plus 2018

It should be added the rest of his 2017 season and a special 2018 where he finally won not only a match at Estoril, but the tournament. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw nobody had written anything about it! I will take care of it after Monday due to college exams, but any help is appreciated. I also saw typos on his playing style, as in not linking to the tournaments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoseRodil25 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 9 January 2019 (UTC)