Talk:Joachim Raff

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There is a mistake in this article. Symphony No. 3 is the "In the Forest," Symphony No. 5 is the "Lenore," and Symphony No. 1 is "To the Fatherland," or in German, "An das Vaterland."

Agreed. Schissel : bowl listen 22:33, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

I've had some trouble translating the following works from de:

• Other orchestral works:

*Overtüre aus "Der Sturm" v. Shakespeare
*Overtüre aus "Othello" v. Shakespeare
*Overtüre aus "Macbeth" v. Shakespeare
*Overtüre aus "Romeo und Julia" v. Shakespeare

• Operas

* König Alfred (Text: Gotthold Logau), große heroische Oper in 4 Akten, WoO 14, 1848-50
* Samson (Text: Joachim Raff, 1851-52), musikalisches Trauerspiel in 5 Akten, WoO.21, 1853-57, rev.: 1865, unveröffentlicht
* Die Parole (Text: Joachim Raff unter dem Pseudonym Arnold Börner, 1867), komische Oper in 3 Akten, WoO 30, 1868, unveröffentlicht
* Dame Kobold (Text: Paul Reber nach Calderon), gewidmet der Großherzogin Sopie von Sachsen Weimar , komische Oper in 3 Akten, op.154, 1869
* Benedetto Marcello (Kunst und Liebe), (Text: Joachim Raff, 1875), lyrische Oper in 3 Akten, WoO47, 1877-78
* Die Eifersüchtigen (Text: Joachim Raff, 1880), Komische Oper in 3 Akten, WoO 55, 1881-82, unveröffentlicht

Could someone help? --Missmarple 20:47, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

The first few, anyway- The Tempest, Othello, Macbeth, Romeo and Juliet concert overtures. Recently recorded- for W A Albert for cpo?

Operas- King Alfred, Samson, Dame Kobold (a Calderon play- hrm, libretto by Paul Reber after Calderon rather also turned into an opera by Felix Weingartner, and the subject of an overture of Reinecke), Benedetto Marcello, can't help you with the other two. Ok- true, I'm not sure what a heroische Oper is either, though- never heard of a heroic opera- but seems it would be a common enough term. Will ask someone... (not a tragedy, nor a comedy, nor a lyric opera... hrm! a question. (Some information can be found at www.raff.org of course.) Ah! http://www.raff.org/cat_opra.htm has the information in English. Eifersuchtigen is the Jealous Ones, e.g., and the rest is translated as well. Schissel-nonLop! 18:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Brothers

One of Joachim Raff's two brothers, Joseph Kaspar Raff (1831–1893), emigrated to the United States and became a performer and composer , moving to New York, to Scranton, PA and then to Owego, NY. His works several times appeared under the name Joseph Raff (several have been scanned in at the Library of Congress and other websites, some appear at IMSLP, and also in Library catalogs. Since Joachim Raff's full name was Joseph Joachim Raff, this has several times led to these works being catalogued under Kaspar's somewhat more famous brother's name, as previously-unknown examples of his muse.) They were mostly published at a time when Joachim Raff had yet to make his European breakthrough (with e.g. his first symphony), and in another country (the USA); so a deliberate attempt to defraud seems (to me) quite unlikely (besides, he had indeed changed his name to Joseph C. Raff (C for Caspar), making his middle name an initial). There is a biography of Joseph Kaspar Raff here at raff.org. Schissel | Sound the Note! 23:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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Shouldn't it be "Swiss-German"

Since he was born in Switzerland and did his first, and his first published, works while living in Switzerland, and his first jobs were also in Switzerland, shouldn't his 'nationality' be either just "Swiss" or "Swiss-German"?

Just curious. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 04:56, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• Yes, a very good question. I've always been under the impression that if a composer was born in one country and composed music there, then emigrated to another country to work there, then the composer's country of birth should come first. Is this correct? Or am I completely missing the point? Erzahler (talk) 03:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Similarities to Wagner

I’m surprised that even though Raff and Wagner were pretty much contemporaries, they composed within the same (Germanic ) bounds and had to be aware of the other’s music. that the reviews don’t mention how one influenced the other, stylistic similarities (the emotional components, the repetition of climax building within a piece without culmination), and other topics baffles me. I’d never heard of Raff before. Now I want to write a dissertation . Or a fb post. 2601:647:CA00:3480:50C2:592:EAF2:3F30 (talk) 01:21, 3 March 2023 (UTC)