Talk:Juan Pujol García
 | Juan Pujol García was nominated as a History good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (June 24, 2012). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
| This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Juan Pujol García article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
| Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
Archives: Index, 1Auto-archiving period: 90 days  |
 | This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
.svg)
 | It is requested that an image or photograph of Grave of Juan Pujol Garcia be included in this article to improve its quality. Please replace this template with a more specific media request template where possible.
Wikipedians in Venezuela may be able to help! The Free Image Search Tool or Openverse Creative Commons Search may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites. |
 | This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
 Archives (Index) |
|
This page is archived by ClueBot III.
|
Juan or Joan?
editThe article's title is Joan Pujol García, but all the reliable sources give his name as Juan. I intend to rename this article to Juan Pujol García if no reason appears to do otherwise. —Mark Dominus (talk) 16:31, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- For example: Records of Pujol García are listed at the U.K. National Archives as being for Juan: [1]; the memoir that he co-authored (Operation GARBO: The Personal Story of the Most Successful Double Agent of World War II, cited in the article) is published under the name Juan. —Mark Dominus (talk) 14:28, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds fully justified. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- I have requested the move at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Uncontroversial_technical_requests. —Mark Dominus (talk) 14:35, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- Also, I add for the record that in Operation GARBO, Pujol García writes that his father's name was Juan Pujol. Not Joan. I can provide a page number and exact quotation if required. —Mark Dominus (talk) 15:58, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Juan name is not reliable. By the time of Garbo operation catalan names where forbidden under fascist Franco regime. The best source is his son referring to him as Joan and not Juan Pujol. Furthermore he introduces himself as Joan Pujol on a TV interview https://www.ccma.cat/tv3/alacarta/identitats/joan-pujol-garcia-garbo/video/2412859/
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.18.2.2 (talk) 16:33, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Names were not "forbidden" and his mother was from Andalusia. He lived most of his life in Venezuela and he signed his documents in Portugal, England and Venezuela as Juan. As far as I know, Spanish laws were not enforced there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.237.237.173 (talk) 16:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Questioning reference 44 on German troops in Calais
editIn the third to last paragraph of the section on Operation Fortitude, the paragraph concludes with "There were more German troops in the Pas de Calais region two months after the Normandy invasion than there had been on D-Day."
This is sourced by reference 44, which reads as follows: Pujol (1985). p. 197 "Indeed, there were more German forces in that region at the end of June than there had been on D-Day."
Given D-Day happened on June 6th, this would be 25 days after the Normandy invasion, not 2 months. I do not have access to the book Pujol, and I'm not super familiar with how references to books are handled in Wikipedia, so I am not certain that there is not further information in the book that supports the 2 month timeframe, but the quoted passage does not support the sentence as written in the article. Thought I would bring this up, as a history series I'm watching on the war mentions Panzers held in Calais by Operation Fortitude being moved to support defending forces facing the Normandy incursion in the week ending July 22, which is a couple of weeks shy of the 2 month claim. Rashkavar (talk) 00:34, 23 July 2023 (UTC)