Talk:Joan of Kent

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Consensus having been reached on the move proposed below, I have moved the article accordingly. Deb 22:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Joan, Countess of Kent -> Joan of Kent

Not sure when this was moved or by whom, but it was a bad call in my opinion. Joan's title as Countess of Kent was secondary to her title of Princess of Wales. (She was also Countess of Salisbury for a time.) She is invariably known as Joan of Kent, and that is where most of the links point. I propose to move her back. Deb 15:45, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually, she's most often known as the Fair Maid of Kent (so capped, even in running text); but if no-one else fancies that, Joan of Kent is the second best choice. Septentrionalis 21:45, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

John Kenney moved her in June. The current name follows the naming guidelines for hereditary peers (since Joan was Countess of Kent in her own right). Choess 22:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

• Support—Joan of Kent is a better name. If this were a royal genealogy wiki, keeping titles internally consistent among hereditary peers would be a bit more important. Countess of Kent should be included in the heading, as opposed to the title, though, and I am changing that. Satyadasa 04:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I would also support The Fair Maid of Kent. Satyadasa 04:02, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
• Support - Joan of Kent is the more common name. As long as her other titles are in the heading, I see no problems with the move.Prsgoddess187 01:25, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Minor points

The phrase: 'but the damage was done' does not seem appropriate at all. Is the suggestion seriously that her death was caused by Richard II's refusal to pardon his brother?

Also: 'but the violent climax of the popular movement for reform reduced the feisty Joan to a state of terror, while leaving the King with an improved reputation' is really vague, and filled with loaded terms, which are not supported with any citations. It seems to conflate the Peasant's Revolt with Lollardy, despite these being two different things completely. Unless the writer was thinking of some 'violent climax' to Lollardy? The printing of the Wyclif Bible? The persecution of Lollards came well after Joan's death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NathanielTapley (talk • contribs) 03:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The latter statement is not quite correct, since Wycliffe pre-deceased Joan and he was certainly persecuted. Deb (talk) 11:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

What is the photo of?

It looks like she’s holding a Cornish pasty in this picture. Do we know for sure what she’s holding and what it symbolises (if anything?) Overlordnat1 (talk) 23:33, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Missing Daughter Maud

Under Thomas Holland another daughter is listed named Maud: Maud Holland 98.198.211.216 (talk) 14:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)