Talk:Joel Selwood

GA nomination

This article reads quite well and meets most of the GA criteria. However, POV is an issue, and I would suggest avoiding phrases such as "born into a sports-gifted family" and "Joel was blessed with raw athletic gifts", as they almost makes Selwood sound super-human. Any criticisms and low-points of Selwood's career should be fully discussed. Also, the image needs a fair-use rationale; please see Wikipedia:Use rationale examples.

I'm putting this article on hold as it is close to GA status. However, the issues noted above must be dealt with before GA status can be awarded. I hope this can be addressed within the seven days allowed by on hold, and wish you all the best with your editing. -- Johnfos 03:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for taking the time to review my nomination for the article.

Just on your comments:

"I would suggest avoiding phrases such as "born into a sports-gifted family" and "Joel was blessed with raw athletic gifts", as they almost makes Selwood sound super-human" - I've added additional reasoning or backing comments for the first 'sports-gifted' remark. The second remark has also been slightly edited, although my point really is that Joel is widely seen as having athletic gifts to go with his footballing ability, as opposed to his brothers, who many have noted get by on pure ability (ie they are not remarkably quick or pacey etc). The referenced article following addresses/backs this.

"Any criticisms and low-points of Selwood's career should be fully discussed" - I believe this was addressed in the issue of his knee injury, which, to date, remains the low point of his career as it led to him 'sliding down prospective draft lists', as noted. Also, his demotion for 4 games during the season would be considered a low point (also noted), although I don't believe the reasoning behind his demotions all those times is available). It is early days in his career to date, but to as of now, no major public criticism has been noted.

"Also, the image needs a fair-use rationale; please see Wikipedia:Use rationale examples." - Done. Cheers --- Boomtish 3:10, 04 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I can pass the article now... cheers, Johnfos 05:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Bloody Hell ! Great article. Well done ! --Rulesfan (talk) 06:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Electricmaster (talk) 23:48, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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This article is out of compliance because it needs an update, as there is very little material on anything after 2015 Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Joels stats

i keep getting rule nazis reverting my edits, according to this page https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players.html Joel Selwood has the most tackles and the most clearances in VFL/AFL history, i keep trying to put this in his page but it is getting reverted by people who clearly have no idea what they are talking about, check my source, you already have the tackles part on this page why cant clearances be on here too it is more important than tackles as a statistic anyway, this extremely important stat, for which he is the all time leader for uses the exact same link, the same reference, the same page that has been used for tackles. Klokar (talk) 06:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Joel Selwood/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 23:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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Prose

Lede

• He is a quadruple premiership player (including one time as captain) - what on earth does this mean? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• six-time All-Australian, and a three-time captain of the All-Australian team - can we not say "six times a member of the All-Australian team, he captained the side on three occasions". Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Selwood captained Geelong between 2012 and 2022, - why does this lede care more about him captaining things than about him? We should mention first abiut the total time he was at the club. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• best and fairest - link Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Selwood entered top-level football early, joining the TAC Cup competition as a bottom-aged player - what is top level. What does early mean? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Rather than link to "bottom-aged player", why not use his actual age. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• A potential top pick - a what? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• him to fall to Geelong's first pick at seventh overall - anyone who's not familiar with how a draft works isn't going to know what this means, and they haven't "fall"en from anywhere. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• debut in 2007 - WP:EASTEREGG link. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• He set a VFL/AFL - what's a VFL? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• and he was a member of three premiership teams with Geelong in his first five seasons - he was a member of three teams? But, played on one side? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• With Selwood made captain of the team in 2012, Geelong made the finals in all but one season during his tenure, playing in seven preliminary finals and two Grand Finals—culminating in Geelong's tenth premiership in 2022, after which Selwood retired - this is a hell of a run-on sentence. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Selwood has been recognized for his leadership abilities, his high levels of courage, and his consistency throughout most of his career. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• The lede in general isn't written very well, especially with a big old stats dump, things like saying "He also averaged about five tackles per game" and "including at least 20 disposals in every full season except his debut year" Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

General

• Why have an infobox that just has a great big list of things they've done? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Overall, even just in the lede, this isn't GA level prose. It's very WP:NOFORCELINK/jargon heavy, and seems like a big clump of random statistics about a person. Looking through the rest of the article; there's plenty not cited, overuse of quotations and some WP:BOLDAVOID stuff. I can't pass this one now as not being well written enough. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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