Talk:Joey Jordison/GA4

GA Review

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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk) 13:42, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a shame you've had to wait this long for a review... I've gone through metal phases, but, I'll be honest, I've never liked Slipknot :P Here goes...

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   See below

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

   See below

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   See below.

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   I'm really not coming away from this feeling it's complete. The section on Slipknot is very underdeveloped. I've noted some stuff below.

   B. Focused:

   You mostly stick on topic. In some places it feels a little "OMG LOOK HE'S WITH THESE OTHER PEOPLE", but it's not terrible

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   Not perfect.

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   I'm sorry, I think I'm gonna go ahead and fail this. It's not ready for good article status, as it really needs some more work. Some sections are underdeveloped, the writing is poor in places, the references need more careful formatting (and some need to be double-checked for reliability). Considering the amount of time you have been waiting for a review, I would be willing to offer another review myself as a priority if you renominate it once you have dealt with the issues I have raised.

• It seems slightly odd that "drummer" and "Slipknot" are not mentioned in the first line, as they are the two words most people would associate with him.
• What does the phrase "Outside the majority of his projects" mean?
• "Hellbilly Deluxe 2 feature" comma after "2"
• age of 8 or age of eight? I think the MOS prefers the latter.
• "until he was fifteen. He formed Modifidious in which he played drums." Not clear that these sentences are related, although I assume Modifidous was his first band?
• "time with his friends and listen to music while working" time with his friends while working?
• "joke called" comma after "joke"
• "A lot of Slipknot's early development was discussed by band members while Jordison worked night shifts at Sinclair's garage.[13] Slipknot would become pioneers to the New Wave of American Heavy Metal.[14][15] Jordison is accompanied by two custom percussionists,[16] giving their music a feel that Rolling Stone touted as "suffocating".[17]" Sorry, I've lost it now. I don't understand what the first sentence means, and there's no context for the third. The second seems a little out of place- is it an attempt at a single line to show how important Slipknot are?
• "Joey was assigned "#1".[18] Joey" "Joey"?
• The second paragraph just seems to be a list of events, rather than part of an encyclopedia article
• "(although there is no solid evidence)" ??
• "Competitors included Mike Portnoy, Neil Peart, Phil Collins, Dave Grohl etc." If you want to list people, perhaps say who came second, third, fourth, fifth, or perhaps note the favourites, or something. Right now, that seems to be a random list.
• "I'm at a loss for words. This is beyond unbelievable. Something like this reminds me every day why I continue to do this." Why the italics?
• "Wednesday eventually" Not sure you should shorten a pseudonym like that.
• Again, the section on the Murderdolls seems very much incomplete. It doesn't flow well, and I don't come away feeling I know more about Jordison- "The band has since reunited with Jordison, Wednesday 13 and a new line-up." Since when? You didn't note that they'd split up? The tenses are all over the place.
• "Tainted Love."[35] - In some places, you place punctuation inside the quote marks, in some places, outside. I prefer the latter, but consistency would be nice.
• "but the track" What track?
• ""Drunk With Power."[37]" Inside? Outside? The MoS also notes that prepositions like "with" should not be capitalised- see WP:NCM
• "hospitalized for an" With?
• Rob Zombie seems to be inconsistently referred to as a person and a band.
• The last line of "on tour" is unreferenced, a little spammy and seems to contain a rather random list.
• Title "Producing" > "production"?
• (I know nothing about drums, so I really don't feel up to reviewing the next part)
• The refs really need some cleanup. We have articles on Kerrang! The Telegraph and Rolling Stone (a dead link, by the way), for instance, and they should be italicised. What on Earth is going on with "Music (Metro Times)"? Blabbermouth.net should not be italicised, neither should "Roadrunner United", I don't understand what ""Knot of this earth". Drummer. 2008-12. p. 34." is (a magazine? If so, link, italicise?) "Joey Jordison | Newcastle Drum Centre. Retrieved 2010-05-09." needs expanding, as do some allmusic, as does 67 and 81...
• IMDB is not usually reliable