Talk:Johann Heinrich Pestalozzi

Language

“Before this he had opened his farm-house as a school; but in this time was The Evening Hours of a Hermit (1780), a series of aphorisms and reflections.” I’m not entirely sure what this is intended to mean; if it is supposed to mean what I think it is, it would seem to be in the wrong place. -Ahruman 12:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

This article was originally pasted in from an online copy of the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition, which contained errors (e.g. missing words, OCR problems, etc). It seems that a few words were missing that should have finished the sentence about opening his farmhouse as a school. Compare the first version of this article with the version of the EB article at LoveToKnow 1911. I've add the missing words and clarified the language. Graham87 09:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Bluntschli?

The link to Johann Kaspar Bluntschli is incorrect. It does appear from other sources (e.g., Kate Silber's Pestalozzi: Der Mensch und Sein Werk) that a Johann Kaspar Bluntschli figured in the life of Pestalozzi. However, the man by that name linked from this article died in 1881 (54 years after Pestalozzi himself), so his death cannot be what turned Pestalozzi from politics.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.78.137.62 (talk) 17:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I've removed the link. There's a bit of detail about the friend of Pestalozzi at heinrich-Pestalozzi.info. He doesn't seem to be notable enough for an article here. Graham87 09:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Pestalozzi, follower of Rousseau ?

(indicated by the French writer Jean Prieur as one of the followers of Rousseau) Lamadelama (talk) 17:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Biographical Edits & Citations

I'd like to propose some biographical edits, this article seems lacking in some of the important life events and experiences that led to Pestalozzi developing his educational ideals. Neuhof and Stanz are only briefly mentioned and his experiences at Burgdorf and Yverdon are under-represented. While I'm at it I can add some to the bibliography as well as cite the existing material... I'm kind of new to Wikipedia so I figured I would post here before I did any major edits. (Grantorino70 (talk) 20:45, 11 April 2012 (UTC))

Sounds good to me, go ahead! See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners for help with referencing. Graham87 07:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

There's almost nothing here about Pestalozzi's educational methods, just context and more context.

I came looking for some idea of what Pestalozzi's educational revolution was about, but (ironically?) LEARNT absolutely nothing here of what or how he taught, only the context of his work and ideas.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.194.191.151 (talk) 23:09, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Punctuation

I don't really want to get involved in this shilly-shallying over commas, as there are better things to argue about, but for those who are into these matters, I'd like to point out that the page is supposed to be in US English and that applies to the punctuation as well. Perhaps a brief look at comma usage in something like The Chicago Manual of Style might make things clearer.Bmcln1 (talk) 16:36, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Bmcln1 It would help interested editors if you could be more specific. Can you provide diffs of recent edits, or examples from the article of what you see as problematic? (Let me know if you don't know how to create a diff, and I'll explain.)  – Corinne (talk) 19:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Corinne That's something a literate American should do, which I'm not. A cursory reading of Chicago (14th edition, 1993) tells me that commas (and full stops) come inside inverted commas (p. 180 ff., also p. 160), which is not always the case in UK style, and that commas are used throughout lists, even between the last two items (p. 173 ff). Bmcln1 (talk) 19:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

When I first started editing on Wikipedia, I was puzzled when I saw so many instances of commas and periods/full stops coming outside the second in a pair of quotation marks ("), which was not what I had been used to. I learned that Wikipedia follows its own style, which is summarized in Wikipedia:Manual of Style. In the case of quotation marks, it follows MOS:LQ, logical quotation marks, which I interpret to mean that after single words and phrases and other sentence fragments (incomplete sentences), commas and periods/full stops go outside the second pair of quotation marks; after a complete clause or sentence, the comma or period/full stop would go inside the final quotation marks. Regarding whether or not to use a comma after the last item in a list before "and", "or", etc., that's another thing that has been discussed often on Wikipedia. That comma is called a serial comma. Some editors like it, others do not. Both are considered acceptable in the Manual of Style, as long as it is used consistently throughout the article. See MOS:SERIAL. You will find guidelines for many things in the Manual of Style, which also contains links to sub-articles that treat things in more detail. You can also find interesting articles such as English relative clauses, Pronoun, Comma, Full stop, etc. If you come across an article that is clearly inconsistent in something such as punctuation, date format style, capitalization, spelling, etc., first look carefully to see if it is predominantly in one style. If so, the few that don't fit that style can be changed. Also, you can look at the top of the article's talk page to see if there is a notice indicating which variant of English, or which date style, is to be used in the article. If you feel that no one style predominates – that it is kind of 50-50 – , you could start a discussion on the article talk page as to which style or variant of English should be used. See MOS:ENGVAR, MOS:RETAIN, and MOS:DATE. Best regards,  – Corinne (talk) 20:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)