Talk:John Ausonius

Serial killer?

I decided to put John Ausonius in the Serial Killer category. I'm not sure if this is right, since he "only" killed one person. However, he did shoot, eleven people in attempts to kill them, and during the hunt for him, the Stockholm police DID describe the mysterious Laser man as a serial killer. I therefore believe that adding Ausonius to the serial killer category is just. Bronks 24 November, 2005.

I agree. He is i serial killer, although a failed one. It was only pure luck and good medical care that made him "only" a single time killer. I heard an interview with a doctor at the emergency room at Karolinska Sjukhuset, he said that if i would have happened ten years earlier 4-5 of the victims would have died, and if ten years later, all had survived.

He had all the typical sides of a serial killer, and a desire to kill several people, and he really tried to. Just that he was a bad marksman don't put him out from that category.17:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't be silly. You can't claim that despite killing only one person he's a serial killer just not a very good one. He's not a serial killer. Even if some of his victims would have died without today's medicine, they didn't die. He's not a serial killer if he only killed one person. 86.134.13.244 23:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I would put it this way; psychologically he's a serial killer. He fits the model. The idea putting a limit to how many people you have to kill to become a serial killer is somewhat strange. Now why would I claim this? Fact is you can kill a large number of people over a long period of time without being a serial killer. It works the other way to. Otherwise you would have to claim that every hitman is a serial killer... 320rwekfpl 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense to me too that he's a committed serial killer, acting under the compulsion of strong feelings and convictions about himself, some kind of neurosis and infected hatred, though he happened to be a failed repeat killer because through luck and the hard work of doctors and nurses only one victim actually died. But this is not binary in the same sense as "you're either an Olympic champion or you're not".

Fredrik von Sydow on the other hand, killed four people including his father and then shot himself, but he is not a serial killer at all: it happened in less than ten hours and we don't know if any of the murders were premeditated any long time in advance. The final one - he killed his fiancée point blank, then himself - was clearly to escape from a hopeless situation when he knew the police had come to get him. /Strausszek (talk) 21:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The definition of serial killer is somewhat loose when it comes to the number victims. Some researchers say 2 victims, some say 3 victims. The only thing they seem to agree on is the psychological profile. Lets take another example from swedish crime history. Tore Hedin (former police assistant that murdered 10 persons during 1951-52 (1 in 1951, the other 9 in the same night (22d of august 1952)) would fit the definition with two murders with a cooldown period. Still none defines him as a serial killer, he's always categorized as a spree killer or mass murderer. And guess what: he doesn't fit the psychological profile of a serial killer. Citizen 0 or the "Beast of Ukraine" is usually defined as a serial killer even though he fits the spree killer concept better. Anyway... These examples illustrates the problematic nature of the definition quite well. So what is most important; number of victims or the psychological profile? Hard to tell. 320rwekfpl 20:08 22/10-2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.182.143.13 (talk) 18:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Removed "serial killer" tag(s) because regardless of intent or psychological profile, the physical act is what constitutes serial killing. 50.29.15.143 (talk) 10:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

And now with the second murder sentence couldn't we just rely on the definition of two murders to classify as a serial killer hence also given his pattern of shootings (formerly attempted serial killer)? Readded category (Swedish serial killers). TheAngelSeper (talk) 19:36, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Strange information

I deleted the sentence "Gellert Tamas only published book is now making the writer a millionaire making him a honoraire member of the "Hassans vänners" group." since I didn't understand what it is supposed to mean. It sounds like it MIGHT be some kind of racist remark, but I don't understand what kind of group "Hassans vänner" (the s in "vänners" is a genitive) is supposed to be. If this would be serious information, someone could add it again, with a clarifying note about who "Hassans vänner" are. (Footnote, Swedish for "Hassan's friends") 81.232.72.148 01:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

• I agree with that removal. I didn't really get that part either. If it is to be mentioned, it should be written in a seperate article for Gellert Tamas.

Bronks 27 November 2005.

• Hassans Vänner is an anti-racism group of some sort, although I do not know much about it.

• • Alright, but if I didn't get it, as a person living in Sweden, the information really needs to be more explicit if it's included again. 81.232.72.53 21:49, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• • I don't think that information is of any intresst. If it should be mentioned, it should be in the Gellert Tamas article. Bronks 10/1 2006

The Case of Nationality, and the edits by 193.62.205.209

Why did editor 193.62.205.209 delete/censor the fact that John Ausonius was the child of German immigrants, while at the same time exaggerating Gellert Tamas’ Hungarian background by calling him a “Hungarian journalist”.

Ausonius parents were originally German, speaking German at home and Ausonius even went to German School in Sweden, and it will be acknowledged in the article. At the same time it is wrong to call Tamas a “Hungarian journalist”. He is a Swedish journalist, active in Sweden, not Hungary. The book is written in Swedish and has not been translated to Hungarian…! Bronks 12/1 2006

His mother came from Germany, but his father was actually from Switzerland. They met on a boat when they both went to Sweden, and ended up living together. This according to the book by Gellert Tamas. //Kada 10/1 2007

Unsurprising but unreferenced statement

Does anyone have verification for the statement:

"John Ausonius has been diagnosed with a sociopathic disorder and has a complete lack of empathy for other people."?

--Spondoolicks 11:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the diagnose is in his medical report. I have read parts of it myself. But the "complete lack of empathy for other people" is refering to some of his victims, not neccerary to people around him. It actually seems like he had mixed feelings about the attacks sometimes, like "It's a dirty job but someone has to do it"! --Towpilot 23:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

• Read this (in Swedish). it says that Ausonius is suing Dagens Nyheter after the paper claimed he was a “psychopath”, although he has never been diagnosed as a psychopath. Bronks 22/2 2006.

The Swedish Wikipedia now says that he has been diagnosed with autism, and his previous personality disorder diagnosis was incorrect. It sites this article in Aftonbladet, which does say that he has been diagnosed with autism, but nothing the previous diagnosis. Ctail (talk) 16:37, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok... His "engagement" ???

What is this all about? There is a lady who fell in love with him without even meeting him? She saw him on some TV show? I don't understand this portion at all... It also says he's serving a life sentence, and this segment says they plan to move abroad when he gets out... HE ISN'T GETTING OUT!!! Can someone please fix this??? Thanks 216.164.2.212 (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

In sweden a life sentence doesn't mean "the remainder of your life" it just means that the timeframe is undefined and will at best be defined after 10 years in prison, most life in prison-sentences in sweden are 15-25 years, the longest currently defined time is 30 years. There are currently ~150 prisoners with a life-sentence in sweden. --83.183.219.250 (talk) 16:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Olof Palme assassination

During the Olof Palme assassination, he was in prison for what the Swedish call: "våldsbrott", which is directly translated to "violent crimes". It's a term that includes assault, threats, second-degree murder, kidnapping and so on. Anyone who knows a better word for it? Jacce (talk) 13:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

2010?

There is some new shooting spree going on in southerns Sweden. The media have linked it to "Lasermannen". I could not find an article on the 2010 incidents. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 09:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't quite understand what you are trying to say. —KRM ^{(Communicate!)} 12:32, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

[1] Malmo sniper. 82.152.216.15 (talk) 10:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Swedish in first sentence

I removed the formulation "second generation immigrant residing in Sweden" from the first sentence, and added the word "Swedish". Although information in the removed formulation is true, it hardly deserves being in the first sentence for the following reasons:

• Ausonius is Swedish both in the sense that he is a Swedish citizen, and that Lasermannen is a Swedish phenomenon. Saying that he is residing in Sweden is misleading in this context. He was born in Sweden and his home has been in Sweden all his life.

• The fact that his parents were immigrants (indeed an important fact for understanding his personality) is clearly stated at the start of the History section, where it belongs. Also including it in the first sentence gives an impression that this is a defining attribute of the phenomenon, which again I find misleading. I would even assume (although I cannot cite any source for this except myself) that prior to the publication of Tamas' work, it was not common knowledge that the well known "Laser Man" had German parents.

Ctail (talk) 13:21, 9 July 2013 (UTC)