Talk:John Cronin (British politician)

Death

Does anyone know the actual date of and reason for Cronin's death? Google finds hardly any information on him but the anonymous contributor(s) seems to have a lot of information on his life... can you help with this? --Hitchhiker89 17:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Hitchhiker,

I am John Cronin's eldest daughter and it is me who has been writing up his web page, with it appears a great deal of help from you! Many thanks.

My father died on the 3rd January, 1986 of a combination of a stroke and heart attack. There is a special medical term for this but I am afraid I have forgotten it. He was riding in the New Forest at the time and his horse returned home without him. The forest verderers' were sent out to find him, as it was thought he might have fallen from his horse and broken a leg, the temperature was at freezing. A verderer found him, in the early evening, dead on a forest path not far from his home

Best wishes and again many thanks for all your help, Anne Olivia

Hello Anne,

I'd gathered from the description of the image you uploaded that you (as in User:Olivia Dixon) were Cronin's daughter but I wasn't sure whether the anonymous edits were by you as well — if that makes sense. Thank you for telling me about your father's death — I've added the date to the article (as well as the colour image you uploaded, as you've no doubt noticed!) and I'll write a bit about the causes when I get a moment. Hitchhiker89^talk 22:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

P.S. - when using talk pages, you can use colons at the start of each line to indent your comment which helps to show what you're replying to and typing ~~~~ will automatically add your username and the currnet date/time.

Hi Hitchhiker,

Thank you so much, this all very kind of you and I am thrilled there is now a coloured photograph of my father on his site due to your help and I know my mother and the rest of the family will be delighted as well.

Many thanks again, Anne Olivia Dixon 12:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for coming here and adding so much information! The <nowiki> tag, by the way, stops the ~'s from being changed into your signature – you have to leave them out to make your username appear. How to edit a page has a lot of useful information about "wiki markup" which you might want to take a look at. Hitchhiker89^talk 16:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi again Hitchhiker,

If you think it is appropriate, I could write up a few sentences on how my father died, but I don't want to steal your thunder if you want to do it. Could you let me know how you feel about this. Many thanks, Anne Olivia Dixon 12:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Go for it! I was intending to write about it but I haven't got round to it so don't let that stop you. Hitchhiker89^talk 12:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

That's great - the article looks a lot more complete now. Do you happen to know where and/or when the photo of your father was taken. It would be nice to add that information to the caption below the image. Hitchhiker89^talk 15:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello Hitchhiker, Thank you for all the editing you have done: I agree the article now looks great and much of that is due to you. The photograph was taken in 1967 and my father is sitting at his desk in his study/consulting room in Wimpole Street, London, reading Hansard. Many thanks again, Anne Olivia Dixon 11:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Shadow Minister of Aviation

He rose to become the Shadow Minister of Aviation in 1962. In 1964 Cronin wrote a report for Harold Wilson entitled "Ministerial Control of Civil Aviation" in which in he argued for the Ministries of Shipping and Aviation to be combined. Harold Wilson agreed with Cronin and the result was that both ministries were combined and become known as the Ministry of Defence.

Is Minister of Aviation the same position as Secretary of State for Air? According to that page, the Air Ministry was incorporated into the Ministry of Defence on 1 April 1964, six months before Wilson became Prime Minister, which makes it unclear how Cronin's report could have resulted in the creation of the MoD. Hitchhiker89^talk 16:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

The office is Minister of State for Aviation, which is not the same as Secretary of State for Air. My father shadowed the Minister of State for Aviation until 1964, when Wilson, in government, gave the job to Roy Jenkins which as you can imagine caused a lot of bitterness. Hence the consolation prize, via George Brown, as at that stage relations between my father and Wilson were not particularly good.

According to my research done on this site; the office of Minister of State for Aviation was abolished on the 15 February, 1967. This is what my father recommended in his report to Wilson dated June 1964 and which was eventually implemented by Wilson.

I hope this clears up any ambiguity.

AnneOlivia Dixon 11:05, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

AJ Cronin

Was there any connection between John Cronin and the author? Jackiespeel (talk) 18:24, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Politics

I have removed this section as it makes no sense (the Ministry of Defence is not responsible for civil aviation etc) and has no references.

"In 1964, Cronin wrote a report for Harold Wilson, Ministerial Control of Civil Aviation, in which he argued for the Ministries of Shipping and Aviation to be combined. Wilson agreed and the result was that both ministries were combined and become known as the Ministry of Defence."

Maybe we can track down the report and see what changes it led to and then reinstate this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesHumphreys1967 (talk • contribs) 11:42, 30 October 2019 (UTC)