Talk:John D. Rockefeller/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Racepacket (talk) 13:31, 15 March 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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Thank you for nominating this article. No invalid external links. Please fix silent partner which is a disamb. link.

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   Reword: "on tricks and schemes and avoided plain hard work."  Not done Can you tell me, reword how, to what?--Wustenfuchs 11:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   You can choose the exact words, but one possiblity is "expended considerable energy on tricks and schemes and avoided plain hard work."→"gained a reputation for shady schemes rather than productive work." -  Done--Wustenfuchs 12:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

   "to Vaseline"->"to Vaseline petroleum jelly"  Done--Wustenfuchs 11:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   "separate corporations across dozens of states,"->"dozens of separate corporations operating in just one state,"  Done--Wustenfuchs 11:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   Wikify Robert Nobel and natural gas (I did natural gas for you.Racepacket (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)) (Thx, I'll put Robert Nobel on hold for now, I can't find decent literature at the moment)

   "26 Broadway and Rockefeller"->"26 Broadway, and Rockefeller"  Done--Wustenfuchs 12:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   "buying spree acquiring land for crude oil"->"buying spree acquiring leases for crude oil"  Done--Wustenfuchs 12:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   "remained independent."->"remained separate companies." Independent oil companies have a different meaning - i.e., non-majors.  Done --Wustenfuchs 12:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   "such 'Ivy League' institutions as Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Brown, Bryn Mawr, Wellesley and Vassar."->"such established eastern institutions as Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Brown, Bryn Mawr, Wellesley and Vassar." - Bryn Mawr, Wellesley and Vassar were not Ivy League. He also donated a physics building to Cornell University, which is an Ivy League college.  Done--Wustenfuchs 12:24, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   Combine Flexner Report sentence with medical education paragraph and move the "Ivy League" sentence to the General Education Board paragraph.  Done (at least I think so, can you check it to see did I do it right?) --Wustenfuchs 12:24, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   Reword: "It also built the Peking Union Medical College in China into a great institution."  Not done how? --Wustenfuchs 12:36, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   "great institution"→"notable institution"  Done--Wustenfuchs 12:15, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

   "career in the industry"->"career in the oil industry"  Done --Wustenfuchs 12:36, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   Delete from Legacy section: "John D. Rockefeller rests at Cleveland, Ohio's Lake View Cemetery." - This is already covered in the Death section  Done--Wustenfuchs 12:37, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   All done here...  Done

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable? (I don't really understand this...)--Wustenfuchs 12:42, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

   A. References to sources:

   I did not have time to test the hard copy sources, but assume good faith.

   Fn 5 - pipe trick does not work in footnotes. Please fix.

   Fn 59 - please fix format.

   Fn 62 - naked URL - please use {{Cite web}}

   Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1887 not 1877. Also need a footnote for that sentence.

   http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/rockefellers/timeline/index.html also supports Bill Rockefeller being a bigamist, marrying a second wife in 1855.

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   please provide sources for the {{citation needed}} tags

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   What about his role during the great depression? Sources say it wiped out half the fortune.

   The ICC regulated both the railroads and oil pipelines. You need to remove the impression that oil pipeline rates were never regulated. See the Hepburn Act of 1906 which added oil pipeline rates to the ICC's responsibilties.

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   No edit wars.

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   File:John D. Rockefeller 1885.jpg - how do we know its first publication was before 1923? Isn't it better to use the fact that its copyright was not renewed?

   File:John-D-Rockefeller-sen.jpg - how do we know when the photographer died, if we don't know his name? Isn't it better to use the fact that the copyright was not renewed?

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This article represents significant work by its author. Putting review on hold for you to address concerns. Racepacket (talk) 15:10, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I just need more time for sources... I'll solve this soon.--Wustenfuchs 15:04, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

We are all volunteers, and I understand that you have other demands on your time. Please keep me posted. Racepacket (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Any progress to report? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 07:40, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for all of your hard work. Feel free to ask questions of me whenever necessary. I have answered your questions above. Racepacket (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

It does not appear that you have edited the article for the past 4 or 5 days. Do you want to continue? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 04:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I am leaving a message on your talk page. If I don't hear from you in 24 hours, I will have to fail the review.

Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 09:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I need explanation, what does pipe trick mean? What is problem with Fn5?; How to fix format in Fn59, wher is the problem?; Maybe it's Fn 63 not Fn 62, but I erased Fn 63 because link was google search results, and this information is alredy sourced, so...--Wustenfuchs 12:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

April 12

• In the main text, if you type [[Fortune (magazine)|]] that is the same as typing [[Fortune (magazine)|Fortune]] which is called the "pipe trick." It does not work in the footnotes. I have fixed footnote 5.
• I removed the square brackets from fn. 60.
• Please note that there is a {{More sources}} template in the "Philanthropy" section. You must add more footnotes and remove the template before we can pass the article as a GA. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 23:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Thx, I do that.--Wustenfuchs 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Less then half of section done... very late here (0:11), so I do it later...--Wustenfuchs 22:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Please keep up the good work! Racepacket (talk) 02:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

In the last few days, a bit of an edit war has broken out as to whether Rockefeller was a German-American. Titan by Chernow at page 3 is convincing on the point of Rockefeller's family tracing back to Germany. Although by custom, lead paragraphs have fewer footnotes, if this is a point of contention, I am added a footnote to end this back and forth. We need stability to satisfy the GA criteria, so everyone please cooperate. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 22:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Whatever his Franco-German roots, they seem too distant and uncertain to call him a German-American in the first line. Plus, one documented ancestral link with Germany means that many of his European ancestors probably came from elsewhere. Dwight Eisenhower's page does not mention his German-American identity right up front. It seems like the evolving convention in Wikipedia bios is to include a hyphenated identity in the opening line only if the subject is biographically associated with two nationalities (e.g. born in Mexico, lived and worked in France, etc). If we were to follow the example hear then virtually all American bios would include a hyphenated identity up front (some very long), which they don't. Unless an American's legacy is strongly associated with his/her racial or ethnic heritage, it would seem more appropriate to include mention of that stuff in the body of the text instead, where it can be dealt with more subtly.

Two paragraphs left to source and we are done. Racepacket (talk) 09:44, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Nice, I'll finish this today... If any problems I'll tell you, but I bealive I can solve that out. And I hope this edit war ended...--Wustenfuchs 12:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Someone placed a [citation needed] tag on the sentence, "Congress created the Interstate Commerce Commission which was tasked with enforcing equal rates for all railroad freight, but by then Standard was depending more on pipeline transport." - The sentence really does require a source. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 17:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I added source.

All done here...--Wustenfuchs 20:09, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

This was quite an undertaking, but the article is much improved. Congratulations. Racepacket (talk) 20:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)