Talk:John Delaney (Maryland politician)

Business

I changed the wording of the opening sentence; it could have been read as though Delaney founded four companies, not two.

"CapitalSource continued to be publicly traded on the NYSE after Delaney's election" - having this in there seems odd; why wouldn't it continue to be traded?

Also, the "ignored by larger banks" bit - it's important info, but maybe it should be written differently? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrey (talk • contribs) 12:09, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

No mention of Delaney's business connection to predatory finance - his investments included swindling and extortion from disabled people, who, for example failed to pay a water bill and ended up losing their properties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.153.229.86 (talk) 17:01, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

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On the issues

Here's a good op-ed by Delaney, and a critical commentary on it to meet WP:NPOV:

http://billmoyers.com/2015/06/03/turn-left-main-street/
Turn Left on Main Street
June 3, 2015
by Bill Moyers and Michael Winship

Congressman John K. Delaney, what the hell are you talking about?

In a recent Washington Post op-ed piece, headlined, “The last thing America needs? A left-wing version of the Tea Party,” the Democratic congressman from Maryland scolds progressives and expresses his worry “about where some of the loudest voices in the room could take the Democratic Party.”

He writes, “Rejecting a trade agreement with Asia, expanding entitlement programs that crowd out other priorities and a desire to relitigate the financial crisis are becoming dominant positions among Democrats. Although these subjects may make for good partisan talking points, they do not provide the building blocks for a positive and bold agenda to create jobs and improve the lives of Americans.”

Rep. Delaney even implies that a freewheeling, open discussion of “these subjects” could lead to the election of a Republican president.

Good grief, John. A trade agreement that favors multinational corporations over working people? Cutting “entitlement programs” such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, worker’s compensation? Letting Wall Street off the hook for crashing the economy and costing millions of Americans their jobs and homes? These are Republican policies, bought and paid for by plutocrats. If Democrats simply mimic them, there would be no need to bother with voting for a Republican president; we could cancel the election and put the billions saved in campaign contributions straight into the Clinton Foundation.

The “loudest voices in the room” aren’t populists or progressives; they belong to the auctioneers selling our government to the highest bidders....

--Nbauman (talk) 21:00, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 28 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: Consensus not to move, therefore, not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 16:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

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John Delaney (Maryland politician) → John K. Delaney – He appears to be using his middle initial more prominently; his Twitter account [1] and recent book (The Right Answer, ISBN 1250294967) both use his middle initial. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:04, 28 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 05:17, 9 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 16:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Oppose: While Delaney may be using his middle initial, the article name on Wikipedia is to be based on what others use most to identify the subject. I doubt that the "K." is known to many people who would be looking for Delaney's article. Adding the K. would not satisfy the "Recognizability" and "Naturalness" characteristics for article naming. Precision would be the same with the change. It would increase conciseness, but I consider that benefit overridden by the need for recognizability. —ADavidB 21:32, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Well used in news sources,[2] so it's suitable WP:NATURALDIS which is preferable to a parentheses.--Cúchullain ^t/c 16:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Comment: The article currently has 41 source citations. Of those I'm able to access, about one-fourth use the "K". Three of these are from Delaney's own website. Six are from bill text pages at congress.gov. Significant use among news sources is not evident. —ADavidB 20:56, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

If a quarter of sources are using it, plus all the news sources I linked to, then it's used widely enough to serve as natural disambiguation.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

That linked Google search for "John K. Delaney", which shows about 1,760 results, does not reveal the relative number of "John Delaney" results for the same person. It's not quantity alone, but majority and source that matters. —ADavidB 14:46, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Obvious "John Delaney" is the most common, but it's ambiguous. "John Delaney (Maryland politician)" is a Wikipedia construction that doesn't occur in any sources. The point is that "John K. Delaney" is used enough (in about a fifth of the sources) that it's suitable natural disambiguation, which is preferable to a parentheses even if it's "not as commonly [used] as the preferred-but-ambiguous title".--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Whether a less-used initial is preferable to a parenthesized description is a matter of opinion. Is there a reason the redirect suggestion made below would not resolve the issue? John K. Delaney already redirects to this article, by the way, and has for over five years. —ADavidB 00:36, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Natural disambiguation is preferable to a parentheses when it’s available. And this article shouldn’t be moved to the base name as it’s not the primary topic.—Cúchullain ^t/c 01:15, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Most people have a middle name or initial, and many of them are sometimes identified by different forms of their name. Parenthesized disambiguation is still used for article names of such people when they are not "commonly called" by "an alternative name", to quote from WP:NATURALDIS. We differ on how 'common' these referrals should be before use in article naming. Which "John Delaney" is considered the primary? —ADavidB 03:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

If it’s used by 1 in 5 sources, it’s obviously common. And none of the topics are primary.—Cúchullain ^t/c 12:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

(with those sources including repeated use of article subject's site and a bill text site). Not so common otherwise. —ADavidB 15:17, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

That’s not true. There are over a thousand news source that use it, as I showed.Cúchullain ^t/c 19:33, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I took "sources" to mean those this article uses as source citations.—ADavidB 21:50, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:300:c930:7d34:e569:9a1:2591 (talk) 01:19, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: Since this John Delaney appears to be the most notable at present among those with the name, perhaps a better proposal would be to rename the John Delaney disambiguation page to "John Delaney (disambiguation)" – now a redirect the other way around – and to update the hat note at the top of this Delaney's page accordingly. —ADavidB 15:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. Current title identifies him very clearly, and as ADavid points out, most sources are not using the middle initial, making it a poor choice of disambiguator as it is neither common nor recognizable.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:24, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. A skim of the references of the article reveals that they are not using the "K." initial to introduce him, not mentioning it at all. Accordingly, many reading these reliable sources and coming to Wikipedia may very well not know his middle initial, and this move would only make things harder for them. The subject does not appear particularly notable for his previous business career, so the current disambiguator is an excellent one. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:49, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

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