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"One Romanian name is sufficient"?

User:Borsoka why did you remove the name "Iancu", which is very common in Romanian historiography? Does this word occupy so much space to justify its deletion? 86.127.22.7 (talk) 14:16, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Because this is the English version of WP. Alternative names in other languages, such as Romanian Iancu de Hunedoara or Hungarian Hunyady János can be listed in the relevant (Romanian and Hungarian) versions of WP. Borsoka (talk) 14:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Iancu de Hunedoara is also used in English-language sources: [1] [2] 86.127.24.67 (talk) 14:52, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Which state that it is a Romanian version, together with the Hungarian János Hunyadi. I think the 1001 Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, etc. versions of his name are not so important, that we should include all of them. It would not be a user-friendly approach. Borsoka (talk) 15:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that Ioan de Hunedoara is a clearly prevalent name in Romanian, so I'd like to also ask User:Codrinb. User:Biruitorul, User:Saturnian and User:Iadrian yu to express their opinions about this. 86.126.34.19 (talk) 06:11, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I must support the name Iancu de Hunedoara. Nobody calls him Ioan. Listing him as Ioan de Hunedoara is misinformation. All history books, street names, institutes, schools, buildings refer to him as Iancu de Hunedoara. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.127.138.126 (talk) 20:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Ioan de Hunedoara is also used sometimes. It is a partial truth mentioning just Ioan de Hunedoara, not untruth.

"I think the 1001 Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, etc. versions of his name are not so important, that we should include all of them" - Except János Hunyadi, Ioan de Hunedoara and Iancu de Hunedoara, other names are very uncommon in English-language sources. Avpop (talk) 06:09, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Please decide which one is the most common Romanian name: Iancu or Ioan. This is the English version of WP. Borsoka (talk) 06:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

86.127.138.126 is not me :) Avpop (talk) 06:19, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

@User:Borsoka so you really want to start a Wikipedia:Dispute resolution process for such an absurd disagreement? Fine, let it be then. I will ask for a Wikipedia:Third opinion. Avpop (talk) 06:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

It is a good idea. Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 06:38, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

File:Iancu_Hunedoara.jpg

Why was this pic changed? The new a picture is very similar with an already existing one (see below).

Avpop (talk) 14:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Borsoka, I'd appreciate a reply on this thread. The second picture is in John_Hunyadi#Governorship_.281446.E2.80.931453.29 section. Avpop (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

From me? Why? Borsoka (talk) 06:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

You are right, I apologize. It was hard to notice The Emperor's New Spy's edit in a ocean of edits of yours. But still, which picture do you consider better between the 2 above? Avpop (talk) 06:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, for me this is not an important issue. Any of them is acceptable for me. Borsoka (talk) 19:02, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Didn't notice the one already there. I replaced it with the colored version. The infobox image still looks inappropriate since it looks like it is from a book with a caption on the bottom but there aren't any suitable image that we have which can do any better of a job.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Ianco

I know that Ianco (with modern Hungarian ortography Jankó) is a typical Hungarian nickname for John/János. However, I am not sure that his nicknames are to be mentioned in the article. By the way, why is his Hungarian nickname part of the "Legacy" section?Borsoka (talk) 11:14, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, why do you say it is a "Hungarian nickname"? The name was used by many, including Byzantine and Slavic authors. The name is also popular in Romanian and Slavic (Romanians spell it Iancu and Slavs spell it Janko). Secondly, I think it is an interesting fact that he was called like this by masses. Avpop (talk) 11:54, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

I know that Iancu is the Romanian form of his nickname, but in this case the source writes of Ianco. Sorry I still do not understand why do you think that the use of his nickname by his Hungarian and (maybe Slavic) contemporaries in his life is an important part of his legacy? Borsoka (talk) 14:32, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

I think it is worth mentioning how he was called by the ordinary people of his age. If you thing another section is better to include it, I am not against. Avpop (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested quote about the native place of J. Hunyadi

Antonius Wrancius or Verancius (Verancsics), quite familiar with the history and the topography of Transylvania, argued that the Romanians from the district of the land of Haţeg (districtum Hazak) had been ennobled by John Hunyadi, “a native of that place” (inde oriundi).

— Pop, p. 14

source: Pop, p. 14

Oriundi is the genitive masculine singular of oriundus

The original Latin text from the medieval manuscript: [3]

+a full English translation, also made by Pop, found by User:Fakirbakir: [4] Joeqqq (talk) 07:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2014

I request the inclusion into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Romanian_Roman_Catholics

Hunyadi belongs to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:15th-century_Romanian_people and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:15th-century_Roman_Catholics, so it is natural to also add https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Romanian_Roman_Catholics 178.48.91.210 (talk) 12:46, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 00:29, 9 December 2014 (UTC)