Talk:John Jenkins (Welsh politician)

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To the anonymous user who created this article and keeps reverting my edits:

Your original version of this article had several problems with it, starting with basic formatting and style (see our Manual of Style for more on this). External links, for example, are generally collected at the foot of the page and not inline in the article text. Leaving this aside, such things as the list of people for whom Jenkins has acted as election agent or campaign manager are hardly worthy of inclusion in what is, in any case, an encyclopedia entry of questionable validity.

If you feel I was wrong to make the edits I did it would help if you could engage in discussion here instead of making wholesale reverts. Getting an account would also help if you want to be taken seriously, and it makes it much easier for everyone to keep track of who is doing what.

The level of detail you included in the article leads me to suspect you yourself may be John Paul Jenkins or someone close to him. Perhaps you could confirm here whether or not this is the case. If you are then there is a clear conflict of interest and you should not have created the article (see our autobiography policy; I would draw your attention particularly to the last paragraph). This alone is grounds for deletion of the article.

I would have listed it for deletion anyway as there are, I think, over 30,000 local councillors in the UK, the vast majority of whom are not sufficiently notable to have their own Wikipedia article. I didn't list this one for deletion because it seems Jenkins's primary claim to fame is his alleged homophobic comments which made him the subject of some controversy in the national media and therefore worthy of our attentions. If the article is kept this topic may end up becoming its main focus.

Finally, I would like to draw your attention to the following warning that would have been beneath the edit box when you submitted the article:

If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it.

This is not your article and you have no more right to decide what goes in it than anyone else.

I hope you will respond here and that if you edit the article in future that you will do so constructively and in a spirit of cooperation. Thanks.

— Trilobite (Talk) 00:43, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Not John just know him.

Thank you for making that clear. However, I notice you have now changed tack again. First you tried to restore the article to your original version, then you tried to get rid of it altogether by blanking the text which is not the way deletion works around here. Now I see you have removed all reference to the alleged homophobic comments and the associated controversy which is probably the main reason this man will be of interest to readers outside Llanelli. On Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion of biographies we have "major local political figures who receive significant press coverage" and "persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events". The article as it currently stands, making no mention of the controversy, would appear to be about just another local councillor of no significance beyond Carmarthenshire. I would like to see this article present the facts about the controversy, the claims made by people comdemning Jenkins, and claims made by him and people defending him. I hope you can help make this an article that presents Jenkins fairly and from a neutral point of view without glossing over what seems to be the main thing that makes him worthy of a Wikipedia entry. Thanks for creating the article and laying the foundations. — Trilobite (Talk) 02:05, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm a member of a different political party to Jenkins in Llanelli and came accross this page while browsing. Thought that I would tidy it up and add what I know of this. Politicsboy 15:28, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

VFD discussion

This article was proposed for deletion January 2005. The discussion is archived at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/John Paul Jenkins. Joyous 17:59, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

Recent Edits

Timrollpickering made a few erroneous changes such as the links to Parliamentary constituencies which have been correctly linked to now. The link to the Welsh Conservative Party’s “Local Government” page has been reverted as it DOES still proclaim John Jenkins’ council election as one the Party’s major successes in Wales in 2004.

The site says:-

Amongst the high points were taking control of Monmouthshire County Council, big increases in representation in Conwy, Denbighshire, Flintshire, Bridgend, Cardiff and Newport and John Jenkins taking the Llanelli seat on Carmarthenshire County Council.

Also, I am puzzled by Mr Pickering's assertion that the article is POV. I have read all the links that I can find on Google and in the news sources and the aricle seems quite accurate. Perhaps Mr Pickering, a Conservative Party loyalist, could point out any examples of alledged POV to substantiate his claim? 88.105.242.237 03:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

First off the constituencies linked to are for the UK Parliament, not the Welsh Assembly, although as we don't seem to have pages for the latter maybe this was in haste.

With regards the article, the description for the link was misleading, implying that it represented a current endorsement when it's an old story and mentioning the individual as at the time he was the only elected Conservative in the area. It's one throw away reference and clearly has been listed for POV reasons to try to imply Jenkins is still endorsed by the welsh party. Timrollpickering 14:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I disagree that the link to the official Conservative Welsh Local Government page implies any such POV or even any current endorsement of Jenkins, merely the fact that he WAS ONCE endorsed by the Welsh Conservatives. A major element of this article, which maybe needs to be expanded upon here, is that the Welsh Conservatives endorsed Jenkins even after his 2003 indiscretion. Jenkins' victory at the 2004 local elections was obviously seen by the Tory Party as worthy enough of a mention on its web site, in the same vein as taking control of two councils and making advances in others. 88.105.242.237 02:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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