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Grammar error

Regarding the following sentence in the section on McCain’s funeral:

“Prior to his death, McCain requested that former presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama deliver eulogies at his funeral, and asked that both President Donald Trump and former Alaska Governor and 2008 vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin not to attend any of the services.”

If you were to replace “both President Donald Trump and former Alaska Governor and 2008 vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin” with “they” the second part of this sentence would read “and asked that they not to attend any of the services,” which obviously is incorrect.

Either the world “that” after “asked” or the world “to” before “attend” should be removed to amend this.

I trust that someone with edit access to this article will see that this is fixed. 2600:6C64:687F:F7AE:794E:1DEC:73F6:5FEE (talk) 00:33, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done.      — Freoh 01:05, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Some issues

As of now, the end of the Awards and honors section of this article reads more like a list than prose (basically WP:Proseline). I am not entirely sure how to reformat so I will not edit it myself, though I think it should be changed. Also in that section, I noticed a mention of him being banned from Russia. I removed it because it does not belong in a section about awards and honours, though I am not sure where exactly in the article it should be put. There are a couple of overlong quotes which I have tagged at the end of the political positions section, not sure what to do with those either. ~UN6892 ^t_c 03:45, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Seeming full credulity given to subjects personal account

The article as is seems to give full credence to McCain's autobiographical accounts. Even where they are demonstrably false. Multiple cited sources themselves list McCain own autobiography as their source.

An example of false claim from that source, is his assertion his only cooperation given to Viet Cong was signing a short one page statement the VC prepared, and that was supposedly what he considered suicide over. The June 6th 1969 issue of Stars and Stripes, a military newspaper, had transcription of audio broadcast of McCain reading Viet Cong prepared statements for recording and dissemination.

Here's a viewable copy of that article:

https://imgur.com/a/Ijkgytk

I don't understand why favoring material from one source, and that source being the subject itself, can be considered from a neutral point of view, or for that matter, verifiable. Pevinsghost (talk) 15:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

DFW: The Weasel, Twelve Monkeys & the Shrub

David Foster Wallace wrote a very good profile of McCain for Rolling Stone. It's interesting, among other things, for providing a largely positive perspective of him from an author, and a publication, whose politics differ from McCain's in many ways. Wallace does a good job of describing McCain's private history and public image, and as such I believe it would be worth linking to under "Cultural and political image." (See Wallace, David Foster, "The Weasel, Twelve Monkeys and the Shrub". April 13, 2000. Rolling Stone.)

Under "Early Life and military career", in the sentence "The same year, he was a one-day champion on the game show Jeopardy!", shouldn't Jeopardy! be italicized? Charlie Faust (talk) 22:32, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I went ahead and added it a link to Wallace's profile under "Cultural and political image." It seems to me it would be worth linking to it elsewhere. Charlie Faust (talk) 20:52, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Palin disinvited to funeral by whom?

Article mentions that Palin and Trump both disinvited from funeral by McCain's request, but I was unable to substantiate this with regard to Palin from the two footnotes cited. I did find a BBC article which suggested Cindy was the one who asked, via an intermediary, that Palin not attend. This however was also uncertain. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45361663.amp Godsp3d (talk) 00:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)