Talk:John Morrison (wrestler)

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The result of the proposal was

 Not done

• Support - He has not really done a thing under his real name John Hennigan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brothers of destruction (talk • contribs)

• Oppose - Brings in quantifier. D.M.N. (talk) 16:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - Brings in quantifier and is also known as Johnny Nitro during his tenure under MNM.--S_RX 21:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose he was known as his real name on TE, then as Johnny Blaze, then Johnny Spade, then Johnny Nitro, and now as John Morrison, and that is in the last four years. If he ever leaves WWE he will not be able to use any of those names, so for the moment his real name makes the most sense. Darrenhusted (talk) 09:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose he is also very well known as "Johnny Nitro" SAVIOR_SELF.777 02:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
• 'Oppose per quantifier and SAVIOR_SELF.222. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• 777, not 222, Nici. ^_^ SAVIOR_SELF.777 03:52, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

• Throwing a snowball at John Morrison. Darrenhusted (talk) 11:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

- WP:SNOW D.M.N. (talk) 11:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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miz and morrison page

I have had enough why are you taking so long at making a page for the miz and morrison afterall they are former WWE tag team champions, they still team up after losing the gold and they have there own show on wwe.com. and for the record cryme tyme have never been champions in wwe and they have there own page. make one!!Mvpisthebest (talk) 18:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

John Morrison and The Miz. Perhaps you'd like to check for a page before demanding that one is created. Thank you, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Birthday?

It says his birthday (or year reather) is 1979. I've also seen 1979 given in other places as well. However, on WWEKids where the superstars write their details in themselves, Morrison gives his birthyear as 1981 74.68.157.60 (talk) 03:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Picture

Shouldn't his picture be updated? Because that's his old gimmick. 72.38.141.239 (talk) 07:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

We don't update the image because it's an old gimmick. The imfobox picture is used to illustrate what the person looks like. The other pictures in the article reflect the different gimmicks that are used. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

World Tag Team Champ?

Not champion until wwe.com announced it on there website.

It the excuse given so many times for other wrestlers wiki page. so I think until WWE.com advertise it, it shouldnt be on wikipedia...

didnt happen on tv=never happened

Lachine, december 14th @ 0:02 UTC

Do they actually announce house show title changes though? I don't remember that happening when Kendrick and London beat Cade 'n Murdoch and had them for a few days before dropping them back. And saying that the fact that because it "didn't happen on TV" it completely nullifies the title change is not a good argument. It's happened before. House show tag titles are in title histories. But let's see if they keep the titles and don't drop them back before they get a chance to be on television. Still, it DID happen. --Kaizer13 (talk) 05:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Forget about it, they just announced it on wwe.com

Lachine, december 14th @ 0:22 UTC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lachine (talk • contribs) 05:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Springboard Roundhouse Kick

I realise there is a similar discussion on Morrison's Split-Legged Corkscrew Moonsault, but during this week's (20/01/09) episode of ECW on Sci-Fi, Matt Striker named the Springboard Roundhouse Kick the 'Flying Chuck', supposedly being used in "homage to Chuck Norris". I know just hearing it said on commentary isn't the most reliable source, but that's how most move names are presented (eg. half of RVD's moveset once upon a time was named by Joey Styles). It's not going to really ever be mentioned on any official WWE site, because it's not one of his finishing moves. 44 (talk) 06:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

It is a kind of a finishing move, I have seen opponents being beaten by it. And another thing, I have to disagree that it is a springboards roundhouse kick. It is much more enzuigiri-esque. I don't really think that these "newsletters" and "observers" are reliable sources. But whatev.--Oxico (talk) 19:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC) PS. I have heard it called Flying Chuck or something with Chuck Norris in the title.

Starship Pain

The article says he's used this move since 2007. I believe that isn't true, I've only ever seen him use it since he turned face, so it should be 2009. He might have used it while he was still teaming with Miz, towards the end of their run, but I'm not sure.123.2.105.135 (talk) 13:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Face Character VS Fan Favourite

This has already been discussed on other wrestler-related wikipedia pages.

The term 'Face Character' is a far more accepted and technically more accurate phrase in professional wrestling than 'Fan Favourite'. A 'Fan Favourite' is someone who is (obviously) a favourite superstar of a majority of the fanbase. Examples are The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin and more recently John Cena. A 'Face' is simply a "Good Guy" wrestler, as opposed to 'Heel' - a "Bad Guy" wrestler. Even the page that the term in question redirects to is under the term 'Face'.

That all being said, would the individual who persists in changing the term to 'Fan Favourite' please desist, as it is unreliable information in an otherwise mostly well-done article.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.166.129.34 (talk) 10:31, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

The term "Face" is jargon, read WP:JARGON, and "fan favorite" is the accepted wording and format per WP:PW. If you have a problem with it, then WT:PW would be the place to go. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 10:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

'Fan Favourite' is also Jargon - at no point has there even been any confirmation or proof that John Morrison is a face at ALL. This appears to be merely a case of you not wanting to accept the official terms and regulations of a typical wrestling community. By viewing other pages, it appears you have been in argument with other users over this exact same topic. Frankly, if both terms are jargon then there is no place for either of them here. However that being said, 'Face' is more accurate than 'Fan Favourite' and should therefore remain in place.

I fail to see how "fan favorite" is jargon, to be honest. Face on the other hand, clearly is. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Because there John Morrison simply isn't a favourite superstar of the fans... er go, he isn't a fan favourite. If you bothered to read my original post, you'd understand the difference between a 'Face' and a 'Fan Favourite'... they are two completely different things. Furthermore, WT:PW doesn't seem to support any official reason or evidence as to why 'Fan Favourite' should remain intact. I have given ample reason as to why 'Face' is far more appropriate.

Because of WP:JARGON. If fan favorite truly is jargon, it shouldn't be used either. Perhaps fan favorite isn't the best term to use, but nor is fan favorite. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:50, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree entirely. Neither term should be used as both are Jargon. ...But frankly, for the sake of it, I'd like to mention that 'Face' is an easier to understand term, particularly since the page it redirects to is titled 'Face'. But ultimately, I agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.156.182 (talk) 01:52, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I still dont' see how fan favorite is jargon though. No, fan favorite is surely not the same thing as a face, but I still believe it's not jargon, since it's a common term outside of just wrestling. Whether or not he's actually a "fan favorite" isn't really the issue here. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I personally believe this is a dual issue - whether or not he's a 'Fan Favourite', and if not, is 'Face' an acceptable term to use on the page. Regardless, I personally feel an absolution should be reached. Albiet, 'Fan Favourite' isn't jargon when used in general conversation, but the sense in which it's being used is without a doubt jargon material. Like you said, it's a common term outside just wrestling... but we're talking about a kayfabe change in persona here, and therefore the appropriate wrestling terms should be applied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.156.182 (talk) 02:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Wrong. Jargon shouldn't be used in any situation. The article is supposed to be written in a professional way, understandable to all (fans and non-fans), etc. Suitable phrases to change fan favorite to are: hero and good guy (though it doesn't read well).--WillC 02:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Face is a far better term... more explanatory.WWEFAN (talk) 04:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.226.17.246 (talk)

How is it more explanatory? Everyone, not just wrestling fans, are supposed to be able to understand this article. If you say "he turned into a face character", people are literally going to read that and go "huh?". The word "face" was very different meanings. One is the professional wrestling term, the jargon, the other is "face" as most people would understand it, like "he faced the wall" or "he touched his face". Saying "face character" will just make people say, "that doesn't make sense", whereas saying "fan favourite/favorite" (depending on whether you're from Europe or the US) will lead to go, "oh, right, so the fans like him, he's a good guy". Anf to the fact that consensus at WP:PW is to use words that aren't jargon or confusing like "face", and your arguments don't really hold much weight. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 13:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Somehow, YOUR argument seems to make even less sense. Anybody who reads 'fan favourite' is going to think John Morrison is some World Champion main event superstar who carries the business on his back or something.

Anybody who sees 'Face' and doesn't know what it means will surely have the brainpower to click the provided hyperlink... that is WHY the hyperlink is THERE.

If you are going to reply to what other people have said, it's usually a wise idea to respond to everything, and not just the parts you wish to reply to. Again, I say that this entirely seems like your wishing to change something just because you don't agree with the views of other people. Once again, I point out that 'Fan Favourite' in the term you are using it is just as much jargon-material as 'Face Character'.

If a compromise on this situation can't be reached, then the sentence section in general should just be deleted to avoid any further argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.91.177 (talk) 02:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Please don't shout. I, and I'm sure eveyone else on this site, am perfectly capable of reading what you type without you needing the use of capslock.

How on earth does "fan favourite" (i.e. a favourite of the fans) mean "some World Champion main event superstar who carries the business on his back"? That's a hell of a stretch for anyone to make. I am not changing it because I dislike it, I'm changing it because it is jargon, and won't be understood by anyone who is not a wrestling fan. "Fan favorite" is not jargon. Jargon is defined as "a technical terminology unique to a particular subject", which "face" is in this caase, but "fan favorite" isn't. People who aren't wrestling fans will understand the term "fan favorite", they won't understand "face".

If you are so insistent that this wrong, however, and that it must be changed, I reiterate my earlier point to start a discussion at WT:PW. That way we'll have a wider input on the subject, and it won't be just us arguing the point back and forwards. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 03:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Capitalizing a word doesn't denote shouting, it is merely emphasizing certain words because you appear to be too dense to listen to a word anybody is saying. We are typing over the internet, and I don't know if you've realised this yet - but you can't shout via typing. >_>

As for your argument towards the situation at hand, your points hold VERY little ground and everything you say sounds to me like personal opinion. "Fan favourite" is, whether you wish to believe it or not, jargon. Hennigan is in no way a favourite of the fans, so therefore the term is incorrect and having it there is providing false information. Suffice to say, I agree with what has been said so far in that "face" should replace "fan favourite" in the article. Though since it is clear nobody is going to agree on this matter, I've simply edited the article to remove the statement all together. There children, now will we all play nice? -_-' User:Superman005 (talk) 03:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, glad that's settled then. Thanks for doing that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.186.140.170 (talk) 06:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Who is to say he is not an actual fan favorite? All he has to do is be liked by the fans, even a small amount, and he is. He isn't over like The Rock or Stone Cold were, but he is still liked. So fan favorite is still correct in its own way.--WillC 06:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The argument is settled, and the entire part that is being argued over has been removed completely. This is the only way to avoid future argument, and it doesn't need you or anybody else changing it back just so it can be argued over more. Leave it alone, you changing it back is just going to cause more argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.186.81.235 (talk) 23:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC) The situation persists!! Whoever continues to add 'Fan Favourite' or 'Face' to this article is now just being petty! The issue has been resolved, and rather than continuing to deface this article with your childish little addition, leave it be like we have all agreed. The content is unnecessary and uninformative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.158.192 (talk) 06:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Welp, we're 11 years on and some idiot has started up again. It's Face, has been face for years, and will stay that way. Please avoid reverting it to 'fan favorite' as that is inaccurate information and uninformative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.197.54.159 (talk) 04:06, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Typo

By the picture by "Return to SmackDown!" and "Personal Life" the text for the picture says the following: Hennig after winning the WWE Intercontinental Championship for the first time as Morrison, and third time over all.

Should it not be "Hennigan" instead of "Hennig"? I would have changed it on my own, but the article is locked or something. Please change ASAP. 190.59.6.185 (talk) 02:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

"The Prince of Parkour"

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/results/

Read the first part of the article. A new nickname for him is the "Prince of Parkour" 108.41.123.94 (talk) 20:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

John Morrison personal life

I edited the page to say he's still in a relationship with Melina Perez but it was switched back to WAS in a relationship, they're still in a relationship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RelentlessJ (talk • contribs) 18:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source that says that he and Melina are back together? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:56, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Here's something that says it. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/724169-wwe-news-updates-previews-and-commentary-on-monday-night-raw/entry/91674-wwe-news-melina-updates-fans-on-john-morrisons-injury-status-is-it-a-swerve 98.210.209.41 (talk) 01:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

That site is not considered a reliable source.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 01:27, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

How about this ONE? http://www.wrestlingnewssource.com/feeds.php?id=11474&feed=feed_news — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princez81 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

since yesterday, it says that he dated a Melissa Williams, a WWE Diva who now is pregnant from him. But there is no record of a Diva named Melissa Williams and, additionaly, isn't he with Melina? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.223.186.50 (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Melina/Morrison are still together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.89.131.97 (talk) 02:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

It was added by some person who was trying to be funny or something and Melissa Williams never existed and probably never will.

Injury and feud with R Truth

John Morrison comes back from an Injury and attacking R Truth on Wwe Raw on the 7th of August and lost to The Miz and R Truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.60.225.107 (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

We know. It was already stated. What is your point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.142.33.41 (talk) 15:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Departure?

I've read sources that has stated that his contract is to expire by the end of November if not renewed, but should the article be written in such a style that he has already left like it is now? Because neither WWE or John Hennigan has stated exactly if he is actually leaving the company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgs893 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

At the moment, he is still with the company, but most likely done. Someone out there is trying to troll or "work" people by changing the first paragraph of the article to indicate John has signed with TNA Wrestling, but they missed the giant glaring omission that WWE owns the name John Morrison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.212.53 (talk) 01:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Not Filipino

Let's be serious. He's about as white as bread.

Requested move 3

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The result of the move request was: not moved Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 16:36, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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John Morrison (wrestler) → John Morrison – Easily the primary topic here. GeicoHen (talk) 02:07, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose no evidence provided, and it failed before at #Requested Move 1 and Requested Move 2 -- 76.65.129.3 (talk) 05:04, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose Near 30 John Morrions in Wikipedia. I think that we haven't the most important. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:46, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm not even sure if his common name is John Morrison to begin with, let alone him being the most notable John Morrison on the encyclopedia.LM2000 (talk) 03:47, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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A Film By John Morrison

A short Film By John Morrison on youtube.com

A film created by WWE Superstar John Morrison, with music and sound editing by Russell Greenberg

url: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VyJVjrHbsg

What is the matter of that? What is the subject of the film? WWE Shawn Michaels (talk) 11:25, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Roman Reigns

Should his recent comments about Reigns while working for Lucha be mentioned there? Ranze (talk) 03:52, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

@Ranze: Definitely not. It's like mentioning every comment from a wrestler directed at another wrestler, it would be unnecessary. Although, I did think that his comment about Reigns was amazing. "Hey there! How's it goin'?" 20:01, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

This sounds rough, but this has probably been one of the more newsworthy things, first I've heard from him in years. Not to put down Lucha Underground (I'm sure he does great work there) but lately it's like you're more notable for picking fights with WWE wrestlers than work you do in the indies. Is LU still indies? Ranze (talk) 00:37, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

@Ranze: LU isn't indies. Morrison has always been commenting about WWE since his departure, and sporadically, he'll pick at some of their top guys. Not sure if it's him being a heel or not, but surely his comments about WWE will get some kind of coverage. Anyways, his interview on Reigns really isn't worth noting. Yes, it may have been talked about by fans due to what Morrison said about Reigns, but other than that, it really isn't "newsworthy". "Hey there! How's it goin'?" 00:52, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Sharknado 5

Can anyone confirm if that was him playing Nova's friend who drove Fin to meet Vega in 2nd half? ScratchMarshall (talk) 02:29, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Nm definitely him. Used his Munro AAA catchphrase slamtown. Asked before seeing his second scene. Also had a role as Ares in Last Ship. ScratchMarshall (talk) 03:05, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

How long

Assuming he unseats Eli Drake, how long would Johnny Impact need to retain the Global Championship before that becomes primary article title? How do his ECW/Intercontinental reigns measure up to TNA+GFW's top title? ScratchMarshall (talk) 03:05, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 11 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 10:29, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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John Morrison (wrestler) → John Hennigan (wrestler) – The subject of the article hasn't used the "John Morrison" ring name since 2011, but as he's currently uses two different one, therefore it's best to use hist birthname as the article's title. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 03:10, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• Comment: Though it seems unlikely, would he be the primary topic for John Hennigan? ONR (talk) 05:54, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose He still uses the John Morrison ring name in the independent circuit often, and I don't think John Hennigan is his common name at all. I think John Morrison is still common name, but if it were to be changed, it should be to Johnny Mundo, as he has had much more success under that name than John Hennigan. Sekyaw (talk) 14:15, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - He's more well-known as John Morrison after his seemingly short-lived stint as Johnny Nitro in the WWE per WP:COMMONNAME. Hansen Sebastian^Talk 17:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Not using it doesn't make it no longer his common name. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 22:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support Performed under a variety of ring names as well as appeared in non-wrestling media under his real name, yes he's probably still best known for his WWE run years ago as Morrison but not enough for it to be his common name IMO. 86.3.174.49 (talk) 01:56, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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@Armbrust: I know what you feel. For example Sean Waltman, who performed under a variety of ring names as 1–2–3 Kid, Kamikaze Kid, X-Pac (known for WWF/E in 1998–2002, and was a member of D-Generation X), Syxx, Syxx-Pac, and others. 2402:1980:84CD:6DBB:0:0:0:1 (talk) 07:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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