Talk:John Mytton

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Regarding the Bedford Hotel story - I have heard this tale attibuted to or claimed by the Mermaid at Atcham, Attingham Park, the Lion Hotel, Wyle Cop, Shrewsbury and the Bedford in Leamington is new to me. It is maybe the sort of stunt Jack may well have pulled off more than once...Can someone cite it? Cant recall it from Nimrod's biog off the top of my head. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 12:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

This person is related to my piano teacher!

Seriously he is! My piano teacher has the same surname and he told me he was one of his ancestors. He reffered to him as "Mad Jack" Mytton though, so I created that as a redirect page. Jprulestheworld01 (talk) 07:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

One thing I remember reading about him is that after he'd beaten that miner in the bareknuckle fight which was mentioned, he gave him a couple of gold sovereigns for his bravery - a not insignificant amount of money for the time.

Meltingpot (talk) 19:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Section 'The Army'

I have retitled this section 'Military Service' as he also saw documented service in two Shropshire yeomanry regiments as early as 1812, citeable to a detailed regimental history of the Shropshire Yeomanry (published 1953). For better chronological order the existing paragraph is therefore being reorganised with its main text (on his time in 7th Hussars) sandwiched between two periods of yeomanry service.Cloptonson (talk) 18:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Exile to France

I have corrected the year of his exile from 1830 to 1831 because earlier in 1831 he attempted to stand for Parliament for Shropshire although, according to source I will cite when I add account of the election attempt, fear of debt proceedings was hanging over him.Cloptonson (talk) 18:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC) I have added a paragraph on the election attempt, immediately following that about his election for and short time as MP for Shrewsbury.Cloptonson (talk) 22:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Education

I don't believe John ever made it to Cambridge University, although he did order the port to meet him there (I understand the war in France ended, which enabled him to take the Grand Tour, before having to go to the trouble of actually attending). I will look into making an appropriate edit at some point (unless a more experienced editor saves me the trouble of actually doing it). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.246.199 (talk) 01:12, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Illustration of John Mytton

James Grant of Grant, John Mytton, the Hon. Thomas Robinson, and Thomas Wynne by Nathaniel Dance-Holland, ca. 1760.

I think that there might be a mistake in the caption below the painting by Nathaniel Dance-Holland. The painting is dated c. 1760, and the figure second from the left is identified as Mytton, but given Myton's birth date of 30 September 1796, it can't be him. His father, according to the article died at the age of thirty when Mytton was two years old, so it can't be him, either. It is possible that it might be his grandfather, but since there is no mention of him, it isn't possible to say for sure. In any case, its relevance isn't clear. Badwaiter0 (talk) 05:15, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Unless it can be proved the John Mytton was a relative of the subject, who had a number of depictions made of him during his lifetime, I would propose removal.Cloptonson (talk) 19:43, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

tate.org.uk credibly dates this painting to 1760 (so it's inclusion appears to be due to mistaken identity, and it's removal amply justified). 217.42.196.64 (talk) 23:23, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I shall remove it but will cut-paste into this section so readers can understand what the concern was about.Cloptonson (talk) 21:38, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Deafness

It came as a surprise to read, in his History of Parliament article by R.G. Thorne, that Mytton had deafness at the time of his only appearance at the Commons in June 1819, considering his physically active and articulate life. I wonder if any users who have access to biographies can pinpoint when it first arose, and known effects on his hearing in other contexts. I have noted this on the page, with citation to the online article in the account of his one term in Parliament. Potentially he is candidate for the list of MPs who were disabled when in office in Records of members of parliament of the United Kingdom but I prefer to wait on further evidence before adding him.Cloptonson (talk) 21:55, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Why is it a surprise? I lead a "physically active and articulate life", and attended Cambridge, but was born profoundly deaf (ie: pretty much cannot hear anything). - Sitush (talk) 06:36, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Good on you - but note that Mytton in his day did not have the technical advantages deaf people in the later 20th and present century enjoy. Note he was also a yeomanry officer which would have entailed him giving orders to subordinates, and taking them from senior officers, and a magistrate for two counties of which he became High Sheriff of both.Cloptonson (talk) 21:47, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

From Jean Holdsworth's biography, in chapter one (page 17): "[...] he was a seven months' child [...]. He managed to survive this major hazard [...]. Only later was it discovered that his hearing was defective [...]." In chapter eight (page 97): "It was a warm, drowsy day in June. The atmosphere in the House was stuffy, the debate was boring, John listened with increasing restlessness for half an hour, then he crammed his hat on his head, left the Chamber, ordered his carriage and returned to Shropshire. The Commons never saw him again, and perhaps, as it turned out, this was no bad thing, yet if John had had the will to apply himself consciously to a political career he might have succeeded. He had plenty of determination, courage, and charm; he was intelligent and well-read within a narrow field, and although the partial deafness which afflicted him was a handicap it was not an insuperable one." 95.149.2.50 (talk) 02:42, 12 March 2020 (UTC)