Talk:John Olson (writer)

Statement by article creator

Thank you for your interest in this entry. I, creator of the page, can and will add the following sentence, which goes directly to curing the asserted significance problem:

In addition to his regional importance in Seattle -- which has resulted in his writing notebooks being exhibited at the University of Washington -- Olson's prose poems have been reviewed nationally and are widely (though not universally) acclaimed for doing something new with the language.

I can also add references to support these statements. Would that do it?

I suggest also the Wikipedia folks consider that creative arts innovators like Olson are purposefully marginalized by the society in which they live and work.

I further suggest that Wikipedia folks think about the project they (rightly) embrace. It's extremely troubling that popular culture entries -- for example, entries on each and every episode of The Sopranos TV show (and many other TV shows) -- are permitted based apparently on the fact that a lot of people watched but short informative articles about real people -- here a major writer of our time but one who this culture ignores and marginalizes -- are given the boot.

Thank you.

It's later now: I, creator of page, have added the text and references indicated above, although not exactly in the words I stated above. Thanks all for considering this matter, as revised.

Honestly, the sources added do not meet with wiki standards, and you will continue to get messages about deletion until you meet the wp:notability guidelines. That means a published, non-trivial source from a book, a magazine, a literary review, or an online publication that is done by someone with credibility in the field... and you don't need just one of these to prove notability, you need many of these. All the claims that people are ignoring the subject because he is he or she has been "marginalized by society" don't mean anything until you can prove that this subject is worthy of an article, and to do so you must meet the criteria of sources. also, it would be nice if everyone started signing their posts... Mrathel (talk) 23:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Notability vs. length of article

when attempting to establish notability, having external links like this detracts in my opinion. i will try to trim out the excess external linking, and try to establish and document notability, when i can. As it stands, its just not adequate (i am in agreement with the comment just above).Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

ok, this is my best shot. i have difficulties with formatting references, so the ref formats are mixed. if philip lamantia and clayton eshleman said this, he is notable to the best of my understanding of the term. i left some online essays and poems, perhaps questionable, but i think they do help establish notability and who he is as a writer. He is not some vanity press wannabe, to be sure. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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