Talk:John Waters (British Army officer, born 1774)

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I reverted the recent change to the first paragraph because it added facts without an inline citation to a reliable source.

The original test was copied from the DNB:

• His grandfather, Edward Waters of Pittcott, was Sheriff of Glamorganshire in 1754. His father, whose name is not ascertained, died young, leaving a large family.

The new text was:

• His father, Morgan Waters (1723-1784), died leaving a large family when during the Summer of 1784 a smallpox epidemic struck the area around Ty Fry.

The text in the more modern 21st century ODNB (see the "Further reading" section in the article) is:

• His grandfather, Edward Waters of Pittcott, was high sheriff of Glamorgan in 1754. His father, name unknown, died young, leaving a large family.

The text I reverted contains several facts: the name of the father, the season and year of his death, and an association with a smallpox epidemic, none of which is sourced. -- PBS (talk) 10:44, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

PBS, I'm sorry not being able to talk with you. Hope it's alright now...

I became friends with Barrie Griffiths, who came to my blog http://aprocuradenos.blogspot.pt some years ago (2008, I think) because we both had feelings for this man John Waters. I had begun my search for him (my name Aguas is Waters in Portuguese) some years before, and Barrie, who was born in Glamorgan, was an older searcher for this peculiar man. And he actually wrote a booklet about him:

- Griffiths, Barrie (1999). A Spy for Wellington: Sir John William Waters (1774-1842), Cefn Cribwr's Forgotten Hero,

which is cited as further reading here in Wikipedia. I have that booklet with me. That's how I know some things that are not public, at least yet. I will be glad to send you the story of the Waters Family that Barrie also sent to me, as it is not in the booklet. Thank you for your patience. Águas (talk) 19:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

@Águas. If you add information to this article it needs to be supported by an inline citation to a reliable source (see also the guideline WP:RS). Self published sources such a blog pages and books published by the author are not Wikipedia reliable sources. The blog page you link to above is not a reliable source so it can not be used to support information in the Wikipedia article (although it can be placed in external links).

It is not clear to me if

• Griffiths, Barrie (1999). A Spy for Wellington: Sir John William Waters (1774-1842), Cefn Cribwr's Forgotten Hero. Cymdeithas Cynffig. LCCN nb99138564. OCLC 44152729. {{cite book}}: External link in |publisher= (help) — Length 38 pages.

is a reliable source. So if you wish to use it please discuss the stability of this source on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard (WP:RS/N)

If the consensus is that "A Spy for Wellington" is a reliable sources, and you do not have direct access to the book, then providing that you have the full citation (including page number) on the blog page to "A Spy for Wellington", then it might be possible to include the information using WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT. If you are not sure how to ask on the reliable sources notice board I can do that for you. -- PBS (talk) 20:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

@PBS I have the book and so I have 'The Waters Family of Stormy Fawr' Barrie Griffiths' research that traces every single person of the family since 1600's. Everything is now in word doc to share if needed. Yes I need your help to solve this. Águas (talk) 09:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't doubt your good faith, so there is no need to share the document, and to place the content of the document onto Wikipeia would be a breach of copyright, so please do not do it. I have asked a question on reliable sources notice board see the section "A Spy for Wellington: Sir John William Waters (1774-1842)". -- PBS (talk) 10:41, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Long since archived under Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 195#A Spy for Wellington: Sir John William Waters (1774-1842) the question remained unanswered. -- PBS (talk) 19:11, 27 December 2015 (UTC)