Talk:John Williams (snooker referee)

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Those searches are useless, being for the exact phrases. Try Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL, i.e. the exact name with the words "snooker" and "referee" appearing separately. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:John Williams (snooker referee)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 05:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Going to review this for the GAN October 2020 Backlog Drive. MWright96 (talk) 05:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lead

• An infobox in the lede might help things here
  • Maybe, but I don't think they are mandatory. I'm not really sure which one to use, so I didn't. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. It is only a suggestion. 07:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "he took charge of the events quickly and organised the events for many years." - this sentence could be reworded to avoid repetition of the word "events"
  • done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• "and lead to more television coverage." - and resulted in
• "but has made sporadic appearances " - made
  • done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Early life

• Perhaps add where Rubaon is in Wales?
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• I think the second and third sentences in this section can be merged together
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• "His grandfather had been British Bar billiards champion" - I don't think "Bar billiards" needs to begin with a capital letter
  • Fixed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Any information on the occupation of his first wife?
  • I only have info on the names, but I'll do a search. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• I don't think divorce should be wikilinked
  • done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Referee career

• "during the mid 1960s" - a hyphen is missing in the text in bold
  • done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• "Williams started refereeing snooker matches during the mid 1960s, leaving the civil service in 1981 to become a full-time referee." - much of his information is not backed up by the BBC Sport reference. An extra source is needed to verify this information
  • Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• The first mention of the word table should be linked to Billiards table
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• "which was covered in a tarpauline" - typo; should be tarpaulin
  • If you hadn't guessed, I can't spell. Mine still looks more right to me! done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• "This led to news picturing Williams" - led to the press might be an improvement here
  • Good point. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• "finals of any referee,[6][5]" - refs in numerical order please
  • done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Wikilink black to the relevant article
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}
• "In total, Williams took officiated 11 World finals," - the word in bold isn't needed
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}
• "The last world championship final he refereed was in 2002, when Peter Ebdon beat Stephen Hendry in a deciding frame." - The Irish Times does not contain any of this information, only the Sky Sports source attached to it
  • Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• "In 1983, Williams was awarded a two-year suspended prison sentence," - I think received is a more appropriate word for this portion of text
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• "after pleading guilty to selling snooker tables worth £6,500 that did not exist." - more concise; selling non-existant snooker tables worth £6,500.
  • Changed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Is there any information about the end result of Williams suing the WPBSA for wrongful dismissal?
  • I didn't see much. I don't think that it ever went as far as the courts. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• "They refereed the final of 17 of the first 20 World Championship finals held at the Crucible." - the word in bold should be changed to Crucible Theatre for formality
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Wikilink Sydney Lee to the relevant article
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• "he became the referee in snooker television show" - of the
• Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Wikilink 2012 tournament to 2012 World Seniors Championship
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

References

• Be consistent in how World Snooker is written in the references. For example one reference is written as worldsnooker.com whereas another is written as World Snooker
• References 4, 11 are missing the author(s)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Reference 8 is missing the publisher and isbn number
  • I believe it's a self published source, so has neither. Chris Downer has been considered a reliable source for some time, but happy to open something formal on this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• The title of Reference 11 does not need to be all in capital letters per MOS:ALLCAPS
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Reference 15 title: "In brief {} Snooker" - this error needs fixing
  • DOne Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Will put the review on hold to allow the nominator to address or query the points raised above. MWright96 (talk) 06:16, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• I've covered most of the above, let me know what you think MWright96. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Was there anything else to take a look at here MWright96? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
    • @Lee Vilenski: Now promoting to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 06:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)