Talk:John Yeamans

Was Josiah Martin related to John Yeamans

I do not think that there is any clear evidence from the ODNB article that Josiah Martin was related to John Yeamans.

Martin, Samuel [father of Josiah Martin] ... was born in Antigua, the eldest son of Captain Samuel Martin (d. 1697) and his wife, Lydia, daughter of Colonel Thomas of Antigua, sugar plantation owners based in what was later known as Greencastle, in New Division, Antigua. He claimed descent from a general serving under William the Conqueror, and from an ancestor who had participated in the conquest of Ireland in the reign of Elizabeth I. His grandfather, a royalist, had moved to the West Indies, following the confiscation of his land in Ireland by Cromwell's army. Martin's father, it is believed, had moved to Antigua from Surinam in 1667.

I think a clearer source is Debrett's Baronetage of England: with alphabetical lists of such baronetcies ... by John Debrett, William Courthony p 247 which explains the relationship

Grandfather Samuel Martin of Green Castle

(1)Samuel Martin married Francis Yeamans and then Sarah Wyke who had among other children a son:

Josiah Martin the Governor of North Carolina.

(2)Josiah Marin married Mary Yeamans

Elizabeth married her cousin Josiah Marin

There are plenty of books online that mention that Elizabeth, the wife of Josiah Martin was a Yeamans and his cousin, but that was through their fathers.

Here is source I found when looking for the dod of Frances Yeamans father John:

Verae Langford Oliver (1894). "pedigree of Marins page 240". The history of the island of Antigua, one of the Leeward Caribbees in the West Indies, from the first settlement in 1635 to the present time. {{cite book}}: External link in |chapter= (help)

It explains the relationship with a genealogical tree.

This does not mean that they were not related, it is just I AFAICT I have not seen any evidence to date that apart from through married that Josiah Martin was related to the Yeamans. -- PBS (talk) 04:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Here's a portrait of Frances Yeamans' eldest son by Hogarth http://www.ishibashi-museum.gr.jp/e/exhibitions/detail_0810_e.html. They (Koriyama) ignored my admittedly emailed request to be allowed to put an image of it on his Wikipedia page.

I don't know how you feel about your own circumstances but do you feel as if you might be a part of your wife's family? And also you'd tend to have a sense of ownership of your own father's deceased first wife and the half-siblings and they all lived in a fairly small heap of people. Sorry I only just noticed this on my watchlist, there may have been some kind of delay somewhere. New message for you on my talkback. Cheers Eddaido (talk) 10:47, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I think given the current sources, the link is more a tenuous than the summary sentence implies. But if you disagree, it is not a very important difference of interpretation and I would suggest we leave it in until such time (if ever) there is a consensus to remove it. -- PBS (talk) 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Good morning PBS. The link is not the very least bit tenuous (why do you say so?) unless direct descent is claimed from our subject to Martin. If you settle in to read all of Vere (not Vera) Langford Oliver including Caribbeana you will find where he reports finding otherwise missed 17C memorials in Bristol but otherwise has to leave his reports on exact interlinks within the BWI family inconclusive. VLO's work is highly respected. In the near century since he stopped neglect has led to the loss of many more of BWI's records. Eddaido (talk) 21:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

(Varae altered above) -- PBS (talk) 22:32, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I have just discovered Caribbeana may now be read online at this address: http://dloc.com/UF00075409?td=oliver Eddaido (talk) 22:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=Vere%20Langford%20Oliver --PBS (talk) 22:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

You mentioned it earlier and that is why I told you about the availability of Caribbeana! They are different things. I have just finished gathering up more than enough for a good article about Vere Langford Oliver. Apparently there was a good preface written by a learned gentleman named John Titford who we will have as a nice neat published reference in place of my original research refs from The Times (which I will resort to if necessary). If you want to buy a copy of Caribbeana try Jim Lynch http://www.candoo.com/olivers/caribbeana.html it must have been a real sock in the eye for Jim when the Jamaicans put it up just over 12 months ago and made it all available online at no charge. Eddaido (talk) 01:52, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks I was given a Kindle at Christmas, so with that and online books for other platforms, I don't think I'll be buying many more hard copies of anything. -- PBS (talk) 03:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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