Talk:Johnny Blaze (disambiguation)

Requested move 10 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus that Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze) is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Johnny Blaze" alone. There does not appear to have been any desire to rename the article at Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), so instead the title Johnny Blaze will be set as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to that destination. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:26, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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Johnny Blaze → Johnny Blaze (disambiguation) – The primary topic is Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), the most prominent Ghost Rider character. Two other meanings are listed on the disambiguation page. One is reflected in the target article as one entry in an indefinitely long list of at least 15 alternative names for a professional wrestler (supported by a dead link citation with an archive link that doesn't seem to be working either), and the other is reflected in the target article as an entry in a list of four alternative names for a rapper (with no source cited). I would just do this WP:BOLDly, as the case seems obvious, but it has been said that primary topic grabs should always be considered potentially controversial, and this would revert a move performed in 2006. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support on top of what was mentioned a quick read of the professional wrestlers’ article shows that he used the Johnny Blaze name for a single episode of WWE Raw. Considering the only other entry is a single unsourced mention in the infobox this is an easy case.--67.70.103.133 (talk) 22:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, Method Man is more notable than a comic book character, and well-known by this nickname. 162 etc. (talk) 00:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikinav shows that people visiting the disambiguation page are much more likely to be looking for the comic book character (78%) than the rapper (22%), and they are never seeking the wrestler (0%). Some comic book characters are very notable, and just might blast you with flames from hell for suggesting otherwise. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

We do see 67 filtered views in the same month, though, which might make a difference on that sample - 141 / 40. Let's try to have a look at the history:

clickstreams from Johnny Blaze for the last 12 months

From meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream:

clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 109
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 48
• total: 157 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 75
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 58
• total: 133 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 82
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 33
• total: 115 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 82
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 30
• total: 112 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 89
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 48
• total: 137 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 83
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 32
• total: 115 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 89
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 30
• total: 119 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 97
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 33
• total: 130 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-06.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 76
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 28
• total: 104 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-07.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 98
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 25
• total: 123 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-08.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 141
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 40
• total: 181 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-09.tsv:

• Johnny_Blaze Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze) link 117
• Johnny_Blaze Method_Man link 27
• total: 144 to 2 identified destinations

So the ordering of popularity is consistent, but the ratio does vary quite a bit - probably matters if a particular source-destination pair happens to get over the anonymization of threshold of 10.

This is another case where we know the most popular topic, but also know that there's reader interest in other topics. In that case, I'd rather ponder how likely is it that the average English reader recognizes any single Johnny Blaze topic as primary, or as ambiguous, or in turn at all? Note average reader in general, not average comic book enthusiast or rap music enthusiast. --Joy (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I just found and added a source citation to the Method Man article for Gordon, Jeremy (December 15, 2016). "Method Man, Who Sometimes Goes by Johnny Blaze, Finally Wrote a Ghost Rider Comic". Spin.. It seems clear that the Method Man nickname is derived from the Ghost Rider character name. Method Man has even hosted a podcast series for Marvel Comics (as Method Man, not as Johnny Blaze). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Note that per WP:DPT, "Being the original source of the name is (...) not determinative." 162 etc. (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Fully agree; just thought it worth noting. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Clear primary redirect. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 18:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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