Talk:Johns Hopkins University
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Inclusion of "consistently ranked among the top and most prestigious universities in the United States and the world" in the lede
editGGO111 is insisting that the lede of this article include the following sentence and sources: "It is consistently ranked among the top and most prestigious universities in the United States and the world.[1][2][3]"
Unfortunately, those sources don't support the assertion. In fact, rankings from a single year or even a few different years cannot support that statement. Moreover, it's inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to synthesize a few different rankings to make this kind of claim. We need some high quality, independent sources that explicitly support these claims, especially in the lede. ElKevbo (talk) 18:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- At the least, these references only back up the "United States" part of the statement. All three of the cited sources list only US institutions; a credible source would also need to back up the "and the world" part of this statement. Captain Prog (talk) 14:26, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- No, they don't. Rankings from a single year or even a few different years cannot support a claim that the university is "consistently ranked." ElKevbo (talk) 14:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- The discussion at WP:HIGHERED REP doesn't provide a clear road map, but I do see the point about the potentially OR nature of referring to it as "consistently ranked." Maybe a more appropriate way to integrate the reputation into the lede would be to reference some of the individual rankings themselves. Or if a more synthetic approach is preferred, Harvard University gives us an example of it done with reliable secondary sources directly making the assertion of its prestige (footnote 9). I do think similar examples could be found for JHU as well. Sauzer (talk) 17:56, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- No, they don't. Rankings from a single year or even a few different years cannot support a claim that the university is "consistently ranked." ElKevbo (talk) 14:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
- A more synthetic approach is required. If this is information that is important enough to be included in the lede, editors should be able to provide sources that explicitly support it. ElKevbo (talk) 23:15, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Probably should consider admin noticeboard at this point. Nobody's breaking 3RR, but with the dynamic IP reverts, it's unlikely they'll see any talk page messages seeking consensus. --Sauzer (talk) 00:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Overview of Johns Hopkins University". US News. Archived from the original on January 22, 2022. Retrieved January 24, 2022.
- ^ "Times Higher Education Top Ten Colleges". The Wall Street Journal. Archived from the original on January 25, 2022. Retrieved January 24, 2022.
- ^ "Washington Monthly University Rankings". Washington Monthly. Archived from the original on July 3, 2022. Retrieved January 24, 2022.
Antisemitism
editThe is no mention within the article of the history of antisemitism at Johns Hopkins, such as the university's Jewish quota system during the 1940s and 1950s. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
For the popular culture section
editdr house attended Hopkins in house MD and did one of his subordinates; where it is used as a symbol of intellect. I mean after all Hopkins med is maybe the best there is. I do not know how to edit can you help? 49.190.25.224 (talk) 00:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)