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Latest comment: 6 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion
User:Tryptofish I understand why you did this but the source quality on this page has been horrendous. I used a similarly crappy blog/podcast to source the "business breakup" but let's try to keep this bloggy stuff to a minimum... yes? Jytdog (talk) 20:16, 10 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
This is not something I care much about, and I only took a look at it because of the discussion at your talk page. I have no intention of adding anything more. I basically agree about source quality, but in this case I think the source is reliable insofar as what the BLP subject thinks, and WP:BLP applies very much in this instance. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:23, 10 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
It is a bit complicated BLP-wise because this person markets himself. He is the product. So again while I understand why you did this, the edit is essentially badly sourced marketing for him. I am not going to remove it but it is something we need to be careful with. Jytdog (talk) 20:42, 10 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
If a BLP subject says that he does not want to be described as X any more, and it's reliably sourced that he says that, then his motivation for saying it is not normally a valid reason to imply that he still describes himself that way. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
We disagree with regard to that notion in this instance, where the person is the product, but as I said I am not going to contest the edit. Jytdog (talk) 21:03, 10 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
I agree with Tryp on this, but I would note that the article nowhere states that he is a PUA. It states that his podcast was "originally on how to be a pickup artist". I think the specificity of that, combined with the disclaimer Tryp added is about as accurate as we can get. (I've watchlisted this page, so no need to ping me.) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPantsTell me all about it.22:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
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Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
This article needs so much work, there's even a Wiki warning on the top of the page to that effect, and yet User:DiamondRemley39 reverts even sensible edits. How does two articles (per Google search "jordan harbinger site:newsweek.com" constitute regular contributions? Why would we include that in an encyclopedia article except to inflate his accomplishments? And how is being kidnapped (the source being a single statement by Jordan himself, with no details or evidence) belong in the article, especially under a heading "Other work"? 2406:3400:311:F7E0:4D44:90CE:CB27:4A16 (talk) 01:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Hello, User:2406:3400:311:F7E0:4D44:90CE:CB27:4A16. I'm one of the more recent watchers of this page. People love or hate Harbinger and the page gets excessively edited one way or another. Harbinger is several things, and one of those things is a writer, so we do mention his writing for notable publications such as newsweek. Some of your edits have been fine. For example, I removed the information about the state bar after reverting the other part of your edit. I also amended the wording of "regular contributor" to "contributor" or something like that. Harbinger has talked extensively of his kidnappings and it has been covered, albeit not extensively, in a reliable secondary source. If you'd like to change the name of the section or restructure it, please comment here. I hope this helps with some of the confusion. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 02:06, 13 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
It looks like there have been plenty of edits addressing the sensationalism and PR content on the page. Proceeding to remove the adequately addressed flag. 69.107.145.148 (talk) 12:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)Reply