Talk:José Carlos Cocarelli

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I'm loath to enter into the fray of the infobox war [1] over this and a few other stubs, with has been giving various people bloody noses, but still I can't help wondering.

This article has a lead sentence that says "José Carlos Cocarelli is a Brazilian pianist". 7 words (of which 3 are the name), 44 characters, 16 speech syllables, reading time approx. 2 seconds when read out loud, half a line, estimated 3 cm² screen space occupied.

The exact same bits of information (name, nationality, occupation) with only the addition of "classical" were present in the infobox that was being added. 7 words, 63 characters, 23 speech syllables, divided across three lines and two columns and in three different typeface styles, requiring four jumps and readjustments of the eyes' reading position, reading time approx. 6 seconds when read out loud, estimated 14 cm² screen space occupied.

What, pray, was the purpose of infoboxes again? Did it have something to do with giving a "quick", "easy-to-take-in", overview of the key facts of the article?

Shrug.

Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:19, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Article will, we hope, be expanded. Infobox sets up basic formatting, just like categories or navboxes or whatever. Montanabw^(talk) 04:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Good luck in finding more sources ;) - You, User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, my not need the infobox, but how about someone from Brazil (or any other place around the globe) who doesn't know English so well but still comes here because more topics are covered? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Why on earth would a person from Brasil find "José Carlos Cocarelli … [eye movement] … nationality … [eye movement] … Brazilian … [eye movement] … occupation … [eye movement] … pianist" easier to understand than "José Carlos Cocarelli is a Brazilian pianist"? Do Brazilians have difficulties understanding "is" and "a"? Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

This was just an example ;) - How about a program that wants to sort pianists by birth date? - For the basics of what an infobox can serve, perhaps see the talk of Chopin, where some experts have spoken, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Sigh. I don't wish to re-hash that same old debate all over again, but as a matter of principle, I refuse to evaluate infoboxes by what they can do for computer processing. The only thing that counts when evaluating the usefulness of what is visibly on the page is what it does for the human reader. If you want to do something for programs that automatically sort and extract things, those data should be encoded invisibly and independently of what the reader sees. But given the shifting of your arguments, do you agree now that, for the human reader, this particular box in this article as it stands (not some other boxes in other articles, or hypothetical boxes in later expanded versions of this article) is useless? Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:24, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

It does something for me, a human reader, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you explain what? Don't tell me you can read the box more quickly than the lead sentence, because I will simply not believe you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:58, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

(ec) see also (not an answer yet, but perhaps sort of, I'm on my way out, RL) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

replied here in project space, as it is a rather general question, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Material on premiere of the Sexteto místico

In 1962, he took part in the premiere of the Sexteto místico, W131, by Heitor Villa-Lobos in Rio de Janeiro.

I have removed the above commented out material (referenced to List of works by Heitor Villa-Lobos on IMSLP) from the article lest it cause further confusion. The IMSLP listing refers to Cocarelli's father, also named José Carlos Cocarelli, who was an oboist and professor at the Instituto Villa-Lobos in Rio. Voceditenore (talk) 14:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I commented out because it couldn't be him, thanks for confirming that it was his father. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks even more for expanding the article! (I read my watchlist top to bottom.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)