Talk:Josephine the Singer, or the Mouse Folk

allegory

Why is there no mention at all that this is an allegory about the church? Surely it's quite obvious? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.55.128 (talk) 21:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

WOW. I had not realised that AT ALL. I need to think about that so much. Thankyou. -- Halfknees —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.130.218 (talk) 23:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Um, does Josephine as Hitler come to mind? The timing of Hitler's first revolt and jailing (and writing of his book) overlaps with this last story Kafka ever wrote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.69.171.228 (talk) 01:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Plot summary

What was so "misguided" about the plot summary that it had to be replaced with a one that is much shorter?[1] Sofeil 06:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Wow. The current plot summary is also pretty appalling. "Throw in the towel," on Wikipedia, a wise man speculated. I will keep reading the drivel, while anything interesting is torn to shreds by grotesque mobs of sexless wikipedia nerds, basking in rule-giving like asperger's children or fascists. There's many interesting things to be said about the story that aren't allowed by equally dipshitty academic criticism, like

1)Josephine's singing represents human consciousness.

2)They aren't exactly mice.

3)This is the more or less self-consciously final story penned by history's greatest literary genius, which may have some significance to our lives.

I'm no Harold Bloom, but talk amongst yourselves.

--Rick

I was upset by how poor the plot summary was so I have tried to clear it up a little but I haven't much time (or energy) and it's been a while since I've read it, so hopefully someone can finish the job. I have touched over the narrator's changing opinions on Josephine and the fact that the mouse people are not actually mice. I have also cleaned up the style a bit. What else? There were some misrepresentations of the way the mouse people feel about Josephine, things like that. -- Halfknees.

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move done Patstuart^talk|edits 20:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Josephine the Singer → Josephine the Singer, or the Mouse Folk — "Josephine the Singer, or the Mouse Folk" is the actual title. Sofeil 12:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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• Support. Every I look the title of this story is "Josephine the Singer, or the Mouse Folk". "The Mouse Folk" part is not an alternative title. --Sofeil 12:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Looks good to me. I don't see that this needs to await an admin. -- Beardo 06:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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Response to 24.193.214.75

03:47, 20 June 2007 24.193.214.75 (Talk) (2,721 bytes) (all this crap about "the mouse people" etc. pisses on Kafka's incomprehensible legacy..."das volk den mousen" means "the people of mice," it does not mean the "volk" are mice literally)

A plot summary should be factual, if you are dissatisfied with their portrayal as mice, you may remove those particular references.
Interpretations of what the story means should appear under analysis, and properly cited; no matter how strongly you believe it, someone else might have an equally valid interpretation.
If you have anything to say about the article or specific issues to raise, this talk page is the place for it, and please try to keep it civil. AshcroftIleum 12:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)