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The word 'judaize' is of Greek origin, for example, and first occurs in koine Greek in the Septuagint translation of the Tanakh, at Book of Esther ch.8:17:

κατὰ πόλιν καὶ χώραν, οὗ ἂν ἐξετέθη τὸ πρόσταγμα, οὗ ἂν ἐξετέθη τὸ ἔκθεμα, χαρὰ καὶ εὐφροσύνη τοῖς Ιουδαίοις, κώθων καὶ εὐφροσύνη, καὶ πολλοὶ τῶν ἐθνῶν περιετέμοντο καὶ ιουδαιζον διὰ τὸν φόβον τῶν Ιουδαίων.

ἱουδαἲζειν 'to judaise', referred in the Sacred Scriptures, according to Liddell and Scott, to the conversion of non Jews to Judaism, to become Jewish, or imitate the Jews, and comes from this passage in the Hebrew (miṯəyahăḏîm:מִֽתְיַהֲדִ֔ים). However there's an interesting discussion (ch.6) on the word in Shaye J. D. Cohen's The beginnings of Jewishness:boundaries, varieties, uncertainties, University of California Press, 1999 pp.175-197, for example, where it is taken as Jewish Greek meaning 'profess to be Jews', and where the author says it only came to mean 'convert to Judaism' in later post-classical Christian authors, where it assumes several additional meanings (a) 'to asdopt the customs and manners of the Jews (b) to be Jewish or become Jewish (c)to interpret the Old Testament "literally". (d) to deny the divinity of Christ (e) to give support to the Jews by adopting their customs and manners'(p.186). It is finally noted that in medieval times, the verb came to be used of those who rebelled against the state or who lent money at usurious rates of interest (p.196, as in 'to jew', as one finds, for example, to quote an example I came across recently in John Updike's Rabbit is Rich (1981) in the sense of 'chisel a dealer down on a price'. John Updike, A Rabbit Omnibus, Penguin 1991 p.483).

The word Judaize in contemporary English, according to the OED has two meanings (a)to play the Jew; to follow Jewish customs or religious rites; to follow Jewish practice (b) To make Jewish: to imbue with Jewish doctrines or practices. Judaization first used in English by Robert Southey in 1814, clearly means 'a becoming or making Jewish in character' (Vol.VIII p.291 col.3). In this sense, there is no intrinsic lexical opprobrium attached to the word. Nishidani (talk) 18:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Very strange page

Very strange page asserting sundry usages of a term that I have never heard used in these ways, and I am deeply steeped in English usages regarding Jews and Judaism, by Christians and Jews. Judaizers already exists, it has a specific meaning, "to judaize" has a similar meaning. Hebraization also exists , as in Hebraization of English Frankly, I don't understand this page at all.ShulMaven (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I think this could be a relevant page, but to ancient to Judea, not to modern society, even modern Israel. Like, I could see this article being relevant for the Judaization of Idumea in 113 BCE under John Hyrcanus, but I don't think there is much to be added for the contemporary world. If one wants to refer to the occupation of the West Bank, there is already an "Israeli settlement" article. If one wants to talk about racism in Israel, there already is a Racism in Israel article. I do think the connection to modern politics is very weird though, so I do kind of agree with you ShulMaven. MagyarNavy1918 (talk) 17:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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