Talk:Lothar Meyer

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anyone know Lothar Meyer's father/mother's name? thanks

Good picture.

here's one relative at least - Oskar Emil Meyer --134.41.133.254 (talk) 16:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothar_Meyer "Meyer was the fourth of seven children of medical officer Friedrich August Meyer and his wife Sophie geb. Biermann" -Matthew K (talk) 18:52, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

this needs more information

What are Julius lothar Meyers parents? That was not showen on the article. You need more information about julius lothar meyer. And how do i know that any of this is real information anyone can just change the whole artical.(12.73.95.47 (talk) 01:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC))

i have a question how do you know if any of this is true , it is probably all lies how could i know .now what is the reson you have by letting random people edit and mabye which is mostly what they intend to do is lie.

You can check the references if you want to, for example the sources for 1911 Britannica are very available, and indeed sometimes this reveals problems with an article, which an editor would want to fix. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 17:38, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Credibility on the pictures... but you promoted the same family. To substitute one uncle by its nephew is just like, someone self defeated! Here no longer seems to be the adequate place to explain a current situation.

should include his graph of atomic volume vs atomic mass.(22nd of October 2012 )-Niyol

Julius Lothar Meyer was first researcher on the Earth, who built the periodic table of elements

Julius Lothar Meyer was published articles on his classification table of the elements in a horizontal form (1862, 1864) and vertical form (1870), where the series of periods are properly terminated by an element of the earth metal group. A French scientist Charles Janet has published a detailed edition of the periodic table (Adomah periodic table) by Meyer (1928), which clearly displays the logical manifestation of all the elements of the substance of physical and chemical properties according to their location, to be counted up from the end to the beginning of their periods. Alex makeyev (talk) 18:22, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

References

1. Makeyev A.K. Julius Lothar Meyer was first which built the periodic table of elements // European applied sciences, № 4 2013, (April) volume 2. - pp. 49-61. ISSN 2195-2183

You keep changing portraits

This article was longer when I recommended it, and had more pictures. Now the recommendation to read it comparatively to another article is just nuts. Wikipedia should start falling down in searches for being no longer reliable. I think harm changing this article and portraits happened to people as a consequence because this is not a private book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.254.103.0 (talk) 21:58, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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It has portrait and infobox; structure and a fair amount of information. The text could be developed further and the citations improved. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 15:12, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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Requested move 19 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved per WP:COMMONNAME. DS (talk) 18:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

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Julius Lothar Meyer → Lothar Meyer – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Please see this ngram. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Also a WP:HISTMERGE is needed to fix the inappropriate cut-and-paste move. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 07:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• Keep as-is - WP:COMMONNAME is subordinate to how he is known in both German and Russian languages, and especially scientific circles. Magnovvig (talk) 09:50, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

German ngrams show Lothar Meyer as much more common than Julius Lothar Meyer, at all periods. --Macrakis (talk) 02:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

• Keep may be a common name but it would also be confusing with Julius von Mayer 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 10:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

  But wouldn't it be less prone to confusion with Julius von Mayer if it were Lothar Meyer instead of Julius Lothar Meyer? Joriki (talk) 12:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support This fellow never used his first name and while it was his given name, Lothar was his chosen name throughout his life. It is how he wanted to be known. Does anybody know who Issur Danielovitch was? We use the name Kirk Douglas in his article. We do the same for JK Rowling. I agree with the OP. WP:COMMONNAME applies here. Bodding (talk) 12:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Even the German article lists him as https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothar_Meyer, --Omnipaedista (talk) 14:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Omnipaedista and the German article you linked has a template on top that says "The title of this article is ambiguous." However, the english article this discussion for has no such template (only a "not to be confused with" which only includes 1 name). I think this should in itself oppose the move. Dan the Animator 20:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Straightforward application of COMMONNAME policy. Omitting the Julius also makes confusion with Julius von Mayer less likely. --Macrakis (talk) 17:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Other people such as Boris Johnson and Nawaz Sharif are listed by their middle names, so why not this fellow?2001:56A:F075:B100:495E:4BD6:E27B:CCBC (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Matthew K (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose the "Julius" in his name does not make a big deal and is his proper name. For WP:COMMONNAME, the Julius does not increase any confusion whatsoever. A similar example would be the wikipage for "Brutus", which is not "Junius Brutus" but "Marcus Junius Brutus." Dan the Animator 20:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Also with the current name, the article fulfills 3 of the 5 "goals" completely and doesn't significantly hamper the other 2 "goals." Any reasonable person who would search for Meyer will still be well aware that this is the Julius Lothar Meyer. Dan the Animator 21:07, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

The five goals (with my comments) are:

Recognizability -- Lothar Meyer is the name he used himself, and is the usual name for him in publications. Searching in Google Scholar for 19th-century publications mentioning [julius lother meyer], even though [julius] is in the query, we mostly find the shorter form. Example of his own publications: [1], [2].

Naturalness -- library catalogs use Lothar Meyer [3]

Precision -- the other Lothar Meyer's (in de.wikipedia) are far less well known.

Conciseness -- Lothar Meyer is clearly more concise than Julius Lothar Meyer.

Consistency –- consider the German philologist (Friedrich) Max Müller or (Thomas) Woodrow Wilson -- we use the common name, not the full name.

--Macrakis (talk) 21:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support move, if we put his full birth name in the infobox, which has a parameter for name at birth. Use the name of his adult life in the rest of the document, while respecting any published articles or books that used his birth name in the the their title. Respecting means, do not change the title of a book or article to match the title of this article. The use of his second name can also be explained in a section on his early life. --Prairieplant (talk) 02:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Great idea Prairieplant. An excellent solution that can satisfy all. Bodding (talk) 14:10, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

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alma mater

Can you have more than one alma mater? I didn't think so, but if it is possible, it would be alma maters or almae matres. --134.41.133.254 (talk) 16:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Good question, since some people attend several schools. In the U.S., at least, Alma mater seems to generally apply to the school where the student has completed the requirements for the degree and graduated regardless of any others attended. Bodding (talk) 23:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

The answer of course is "yes". The high school from which one graduates is one's alma mater, as is the university from which one graduates. So if one graduates college, then one has at least two almae matres. And the plural can be "almae matres" or "alma maters". See Wiktionary:alma mater P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 18:40, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

First name

‘Meyer never used his first given name, and was known throughout his life simply as Lothar Meyer.’--49.205.244.53 (talk) 16:36, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Lotharmeyerites

chem2 was misparsing mineral formulae. I've replaced one with a simpler version (idealised formula) that it can parse, and remove the others on the ground that the article is about the person, not about the chemistry of tsumcorite group minerals - that detail would go in a lotharmeyerite article, or one on the group.

Different sources give different formulae for these minerals, e.g. webminerals.org has them as double salts of hydrogenarsenate and hydroxide, rather than arsenate hydrates. Sorting this may require going to the primary literature. Lavateraguy (talk) 12:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)