Talk:Julius Schaub

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Editing Needed

Thank you to whoever wrote this. It needs minor edits by a native speaker of English. -24.4.26.116 (talk) 21:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

31 March 2015

I've spend my night improving (and expanding) the article as best I can and have nominated it for GA-status. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Julius Schaub/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Tomandjerry211 (talk · contribs) 12:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	It is unecessary to put the same cite over and over again. Done Link Munich and World War I in the lead Done Should note that he died in Munich in the lead Done "Berlin 1945" is awkward, "1945" is better. Done Link colonel in the "20 July plot" subsection Done
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	DAB link to "Richard Evans" Done
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.

GA Reassessment

I believe this article is not broad enough in its coverage and is inadequately referenced. Hence, I recommend it be delisted and put into the GA queue Billsmith60 (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I disagree. It covers his life to the degree known and is WP:RS sourced; vouching for my part. Certainly, one might add some content, if known, as with any article, but that does not equal delisting. @Tomandjerry311: vetted and reviewed it for GA. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 18:02, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I also do not see a problem with this article. There are relatively few citations because the article is relatively short, but everything is cited, so it's not "inadequately referenced". As for broadness, it's difficult to find sources for certain aspects of some subjects, which is fine for GA but not for FA (which requires "comprehensive" coverage). The GA criteria only require that an article mention all major points about a subject, which this article also seems to do. It seems Schaub is mainly notable for his association with Hitler, in which case there is no issue regarding broadness either. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:52, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it seems pretty tidy and offers good coverage in an encyclopedic format. I've repaired a link but there doesn't seem to be much wrong here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Would you be able to provide some specifics about what is missing? There is no need for a formal GAR if the issue can be solved through normal editing processes. CMD (talk) 02:00, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I have done some copy edits and made some further additions of detail with RS cites. There is one further sub-section I’d like to review, but do not have time at the moment. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 20:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for everyone's thoughts. I understand the point about what is known of this person. But if the article was coming to me for GA assessment, and using Hermann Fegelein as a broad and fair comparator –

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Fegelein – I'd want to see headings on his military and SS progression, and one on his awards (or one that combines the two). Traudl Junge may have considered Schaub a person of little consequence, but that's nonsense: for a start, he outranked Fegelein, and his daily closeness to Hitler requires marks him out as a person of considerable importance. So I'd want that brought out more in a stand-alone heading like "Assessment", as Fegelein has. The man was Hitler's personal aide, which should appear in the first paragraph, so he was very important. Maybe Schaub has no memoirs of his own (if that's the case), but 28 citations is surely insufficient to cover him adequately. I'm not going to lose sleep over this, but I feel this article *deserves a greater treatment. Regards Billsmith60 (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)