Talk:June Tabor

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The article states that the Oyster band is Irish. It isn't. The 'Oysters' are an English band.

The chronology is a mess. I'll do what I can to clean it up, but can someone with better knowledge of Tabor than mine please help out to flesh things out? --Dgilman 13:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I have added some material, but honestly I can's see anything wrong with the chronology - Do you want to have it in reverse order? Ogg 18:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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June Tabor definitely does not play any instrument, so I have removed her from the category "English Folk Musicians". Ogg 11:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Singers are musicians. Mak (talk) 22:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

From the philosophican and linguistic point of view, if "Singers are Musicians", then "Musicians are singers" - the grammar is reflexive. How many people consider the violinist Yehudi Menuhin to be a singer? Patent nonsense. Wikipedia is making a mockery of itself if it takes that point of view. Ogg 12:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Check out our definition of musician: Vocalists are included.--Oneiros 12:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Ogg - squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. It works out fine. Singers are a subset of the larger group "musicians", which includes violinists and singers. Mak (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Stunning standard of debate chaps. How about all squares are quadrilaterals but not all quadrilaterals are squares. Wait till you get on to the set of all sets not containing themselves. Otoh perhaps it might be best to leave the formal symbolic logic for a year or two yet :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.13.172.27 (talk) 19:26, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Neither useful nor consistent

I have been looking through wikipedia to find out how many singers are classified as "musicians". From among the ones who do not play an instrument, roughly two-thirds are not classified as musicians. For example, none of these are classed as musicians:

• Kate Bush
• Barbara Dixon
• Dolores Keane
• Maria Callas
• Anne Briggs
• Cecilia Bartoli
• Jose Carreras
• Montserrat Caballe
• Renee Fleming
• Petula Clark
• Lulu (singer)
• Enrico Caruso
• Maddy Prior
• Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau
• Tito Gobbi
• Peggy Seeger
• Joan Sutherland

All of them have several other categories. It seems to me, and obviously to many others (who have avoided that classification) that calling them "musicians" is not helpful. What's wrong with the categories "Folk Singers" or "English female singers" or "soprano"? That tells you all you need to know, unless they have other special characteristics. "Musician" is definitely guilding the lily, or over-egging the cake.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ogg (talk • contribs) 2006-10-11T13:25:06.

If there were a Category:English folk singers I would agree with you, it's called not putting in super-categories, but there is no such category, meaning "English folk musicians" is the most specific category in that area. Mak (talk) 21:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

January June

Hang on, "Janury June" cannot be both a serious part or the article and also "trivia". It should be one or the other and not both. Articles shouldn't repeat themselves. I suggest removing it from trivia to improve the article. Any disagreements? Ogg 11:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Nobody has responded, so I have removed the duplication of the "January June" sentence. Ogg 18:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Note, also, that January June is a parody of Dave Goulder's January Man - I suggest this should be mentioned in the article? GeorgeD Cambs (talk) 12:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry!

Entered what should have been footnote 2 (from HeraldScotland.com article) and realized this editing is more confusing than anticipated; welcome anyone to correct my botched job of footnoting; it still won't do what I want and it appears to have altered typesize on the rest of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xibee (talk • contribs) 17:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Fairport Convention

June makes an appearance on "the Third Leg" double cassette singing "It'll Take a Long, Long Time" and on the "In Real Time" video of Fairport at Cropredy. The Yowser (talk) 09:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Chronology, Passchendaele peace concerts, General structure

I'd endorse Ogg's comment regarding the chronology is, in places, somewhat confused, especially at the end of the Early Life section, and in overlap between Early Life and Solo Work. June's marriage to Dave Taylor was round about the time of the A Cut Above album. As I recall, at the time Dave was working as a chef at the Savoy hotel, and consequently the cover picture for the album was taken on the roof of the hotel! Some time later they moved North to run their restaurant in Cumbria. I believe June's work as a librarian started on leaving University, and continued until she moved to Cumbria; in a 1980 interview in Southern Rag (the precursor to fRoots) she makes it clear that she preferred keeping singing as something apart from her earning a living. That same interview descri bes the onset of her partnership with Martin Simpson; she was feeling her solo work was starting to get stale, and therefore that she wanted to work with an accompanist. While she would do a few solo concerts "for people i've always done them for", in general she would only be available as a duo with Martin. Since then she has continued only working with one or more accompanists. Interestingly, A Cut Above is the only album where her accompanist is given headline billing; similarly her live performances with Martin were generally promoted as June Tabor and Martin Simpson.".

I don't believe June ever "stopped performing professionally", it was more that while she was running the restaurant her availability for gigs was very limited.

It's slightly surprising that June's work with Huw Warren is called out. After her due with Martin ended, her most regular accompanists were Huw Warren and Mark Emmerson. However it's certainly true that their engagement with Jazz significantly influenced June's repetoire (and, arguably, her style).

The reference to the Passchendaele Peace Concert, although almost correct, is slightly puzzling. The 2002 concert the article mentions was actually the Tenth Anniversary Concert. More significant is June's involvement in the first of these concerts, in 1992 (with Mark Emmerson and Huw Warren forming part of the accompanying Lone Tree Orchestra); that concert was recorded and released on CD, see We Died In Hell—They Called It Passchendaele.

The inclusion of June's work with Les Barker in the Recent Developments section is another example of the chronology being somewhat confused. On reflection, the structuring of the article is misleading, and undermines maintaining an accurate chronology. Much of the described in the Solo Work section was not solo, and June has been involved in collaborations throughout her career - surely the Silly Sisters tour was, itself, a collaboration?

I'm aiming to work these points into the main article, but need to do some further investigation/sourcing to do so. Any help with that would be welcome!

--GeorgeD Cambs (talk) 12:43, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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To add to article

To add to the lead paragraph of the article: how her surname is pronounced. 173.88.241.33 (talk) 21:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC)