Talk:Jurassic Park video games

Rampage Edition

I changed the line talking about Jurassic Park: Rampage Edition to: A sequel was released using a new game engine and new artwork, (with some of the original art as well) entitled Jurassic Park: Rampage Edition.

I was the lead programmer on the game and using the new game engine was one of my primary reasons for wanting to work on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KFreiheit (talk • contribs) 5 December 2005

Other games

What of Warpath, Tresspasser, and other games? Are they not to be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.254.155 (talk) 05:48, 22 March 2006

I know nothing about them. Feel free to add the information. KFreiheit 01:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

It seems to me that Jurassic Park (computer game) is describing many of the games also described here, so I am suggesting an article merge. - ThomasHarte 01:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

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I agree with this statement since the two articles are nearly the same in stature. --William Pembroke 20:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks like it's been done. Thanks, 58.104.73.53. --DocumentN (talk) 20:54, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Tiger R-Zone

There is another version of the game available for the Tiger R-Zone. I *think* it was The Lost World, but I'm not sure. I own it, but I'm not at home now to check.

-Untamed
July 11, 2006 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.250.115 (talk) 08:03, 11 July 2006

Jurassic Park Part 2: The Chaos Continues

The plotline description for "Jurassic Park Part 2: The Chaos Continues" was incorrect. It stated the plot involved the player being part of a team sent in to destroy dinosaurs, but this is totally opposite of the actual game. In the game not only was killing dinosaurs frowned upon but you had a counter in the corner that ticked down Embryo reserves, and if you went too low it ended the game. I have corrected this entry. Draknfyre 20:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Jurassic Park Interactive?

Considering that the 3DO game was well designed, original, featured footage shot on set specifically for the title, and featured heavily in the game system's print and video advertising, shouldn't it be featured a bit in this article?Smoove K 10:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Did someone remove information about it? --DocumentN (talk) 20:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 00:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Jurassic Park video games → List of Jurassic Park video games – Should "List of" be added, or omitted? George Ho (talk) 01:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• Mild support - it's not really in true list format at the moment because it's set out like an article with prose under headings. But fundamentally this topic is best suited to a list, as it's not a single unified topic but rather a series of related media for different platforms. List of Final Fantasy video games is a good (WP:FL actually) representation of what it could look like.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:17, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
• Support, this is clearly a list article. JIP | Talk 07:14, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

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Plot of SNES game

User:DarkgreenOrange writes (here and here): "Jurassic Park was a video game for the SNES/Super Famicom based on the book by Michael Crichton.". 74.203.158.34 disagrees, saying that it's based on the movie adaptation, and the current revision of "Jurassic Park (SNES video game)" reflects this. The current version of this article likewise says that the SNES version is a "variation" of the NES/Game Boy version, which "loosely follow[s] the plot of the film"; but in the next paragraph says "The Nintendo versions follow the plot of the novel rather than that of the movie.". Which is true?

--DocumentN (talk) 21:36, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

The three games are based more on the movie than they are on the novel. One way that they're different from the movie is that they include a couple levels (a raptor nest level and a river raft level) based on scenes that weren't in the film but were in the novel. Other than that, I really don't see how the games are based on the novel. The Nintendo games simply took a few ideas from the novel, as did the Sega Genesis version of the game. The source which says the Nintendo games follow the plot of the novel is not an online source, so I can't verify exactly what it says. But I assume the source is simply mistaken. Perhaps the source meant to say that the games took some inspiration from the novel. AJFU (talk) 03:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

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Ark: Survival Evolved

An editor sometimes adds Ark: Survival Evolved to the list's "Related titles" section ([1], [2], [3]) and I've always removed it because it is irrelevant to Jurassic Park other than being a dinosaur video game. Now another editor has restored the game, stating that it is not irrelevant to this list. To me, it's not clear what should go in the "Related titles" section, nor is it clear how Ark: Survival Evolved is related to Jurassic Park (Ark has nothing to do with Jurassic Park and the article for Ark doesn't even mention Jurassic Park). Surely, the section isn't meant to be a place for just any dinosaur video game, right? Otherwise, how would we decide what to put there? There are plenty of dinosaur video games out there. It doesn't make sense to include the ones that have nothing to do with Jurassic Park when this is a list of Jurassic Park games. I think we could move Universal Studios Theme Parks Adventure to the "Related titles" section since it is not a full Jurassic Park game, but it does at least contain a Jurassic Park mini-game and is therefore related. Including the Universal game in that section makes sense to me, but Ark does not.  AJFU  (talk) 17:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider the reason for its inclusion to be that "it's a dinosaur game" (that list would be very long) more than the fact that the reported release of Jurassic World in 2015 apparantly was a major inspiration for the game (eventually releasing the early access version in June for this very reason), and for its large variety of Jurassic Park-related mods and references. I wouldn't insist on including the game in the list, but I wouldn't mind keeping it there either. TurokSwe (talk) 15:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I have never played Ark: Survival Evolved, so I was not aware of any Jurassic Park references, and the Ark article currently does not make any mention of Jurassic Park or Jurassic World, so the relation between that game and Jurassic Park games is not clear to readers such as myself who are not familiar with the game. The Jurassic World inspiration and the references to Jurassic Park should be mentioned in the Ark article and supported by a reliable source, and if the Ark game is to be listed here, we should also include a reliable source and a note specifying how the game is relevant to this list (something like "The game includes various references to Jurassic Park, and its early access release coincided with the theatrical release of Jurassic World, which substantially inspired the game."), to prevent any confusion about why it's here. I don't mind having the game listed here as long as we have a source to show that it is relevant.  AJFU  (talk) 17:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Fully understandable, I'll see what can be done. TurokSwe (talk) 10:45, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

@TurokSwe: I had looked into this a while back and added a couple sources that support part of what you said. However, one of the sources says that the film Jurassic Park was only one of several inspirations on Ark: Survival Evolved, which was also inspired by The Land Before Time and Dinotopia. It's not clear how much of an inspiration Jurassic Park was on Ark: Survival Evolved, and I realized it doesn't make sense to include it here when it has nothing to do with Jurassic Park video games (it was inspired by the Jurassic Park film rather than the Jurassic Park series of games). Including Ark on this list would be like including it at List of The Land Before Time video games simply because the game was partially inspired by one of the films in that series. And the fact that Ark was released in time for Jurassic World doesn't mean much, other than being a marketing strategy to maximize profits on the game. That doesn't mean Jurassic World had anything to do with Ark, other than being released in the same month. I had previously added this information to the Ark Wikipedia page, which is certainly the most relevant place to put it. I see no reason to keep Ark on this list, as its relation to Jurassic Park video games is non-existent, the extent of its inspiration from Jurassic Park is unknown, and its relation to Jurassic World is limited to release dates. You also have Ark Park listed in the "Related titles" section with a note stating: "The game is heavily inspired by the Jurassic Park/Jurassic World franchise." Do you have a reliable source to support this?  AJFU  (talk) 18:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced additions

Hello, @TurokSwe: None of the items you restored to the list are sourced, and I'm skeptical about most of them actually being video games.

• Jurassic Park: The Screen Saver: How is a screen saver a video game?
• Jurassic Park Online Slot: How is a slot machine a video game?
• Jurassic World MovieMaker: Also unsourced, but several websites ([4], [5], [6]) describe this as an "app" that allows people to insert dinosaurs into the backgrounds of their photos. I don't consider this a video game.
• Jurassic World Facts: This is also described as an "app" ([7]). It seems to just be an educational thing with animated dinosaurs, rather than an actual video game.
• Jurassic Explorer: You said it's "Definitely notable," but if that's the case, there would have been sources that reported about it. I have not found any sources (IGN, GameSpot, etc.) that mention it. There is a custom Google search engine for reliable sources that talk about video games; it brings up zero results for "Jurassic Explorer", enclosed in quotation marks. Without quotation marks brings up over one million results, but from what I saw, none of those results were relevant to Jurassic Explorer.

Also, there is a source here which says that Universal Movie Tycoon was published by Fuse Powered, not Bytemark Games.  AJFU  (talk) 18:53, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

There's a lot of unsourced material on here, I don't know why you happened to be so annoyed about these particular ones (they're all notable and there doesn't seem to be anything to gain by removing them). The Screen Saver is not merely a "screen saver" as the title makes you believe and evidently contains games. As for Online Slot, I believe it's already fairly well-known that slot machines (especially the more modern forms) count as video games and should not even be an issue (at the very least this particular one is a very well-made one). The MovieMaker app I definitely consider to be a variant of modern video game formats where you can play around with the dinosaurs in the real world so to speak and precisely create your own videos and photos. Jurassic World Facts is definitely an educational app (of sorts) but clearly one which is very much a game and one in which you chase down codes in the real world to unlock more dinosaurs (almost in a similar vein to Jurassic World Alive and Jurassic World The Game). I don't know what you consider notable but Jurassic Explorer has definitely been covered (https://www.jurassicparkpodcast.com/home/2017/7/14/jurassic-explorer-tour & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivfbPX751E0) even if perhaps not as much as it should have been (which is indeed surprising) but it's still a high quality game that is very much notable. There's no problem in changing Bytemark Studios to Fuse Powered. TurokSwe (talk) 20:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I see inline citations throughout the list. What unsourced material are you referring to? As for these particular items, Wikipedia: Verifiability says that all material, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed. You mentioned that there doesn't seem to be anything to gain by removing these items, but I think keeping them here, with only minimal information and no sources, is not helpful either. Without a source, readers cannot learn more about these items and cannot verify that they even exist, unless they do an Internet search. But readers should not have to leave Wikipedia to search for sources to verify that information on Wikipedia is true. If these entries are notable, then it shouldn't be hard to find sources for them.

"The Screen Saver is not merely a "screen saver" as the title makes you believe and evidently contains games." Can you see how it might be confusing to readers to mention some kind of screensaver program without specifying that it's more than just a screensaver? And are you sure that it actually contains games?

As for slot machines being video games, I've never heard of that. Regardless of whether or not we think of slot machines as video games, we should go by what reliable sources say. Are there sources out there that call Online Slot a video game? I did a search for it in the aforementioned Google game search engine and I got no relevant results.

The MovieMaker app seems to just be an image/video editing program, where you can add things into a picture or video. I assume there are other editing programs out there, such as Adobe Photoshop, that are capable of adding things such as animals, but I wouldn't consider something like Photoshop to be a video game. More importantly, the websites I mentioned above do not label MovieMaker as a video game.

TheGamingBeaver seems to just be someone's YouTube video account. According to this, YouTube usually isn't considered reliable unless the videos are coming from a reliable source (like a well known game website). TheGamingBeaver isn't on the list of reliable game sources, and there is only one page on all of Wikipedia that uses it as a source. JurassicParkPodcast is a fan website, and those usually aren't considered reliable. These websites don't prove that Jurassic Explorer is well known. The complete lack of reliable sources reporting about it is an indication that it's not a well known or important project. Another fan project, Jurassic Park: Aftermath, is here on the list because it's been mentioned in several reliable and well known sources ([8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13]). The same cannot be said for Jurassic Explorer. If it's not that well known, then I doubt many people are coming here to learn about it. And if they are, I think they would be disappointed by the minimal information and the lack of sources.  AJFU  (talk) 17:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I have removed The Screen Saver from the list. I found a news article about The Screen Saver which makes no reference to it being a video game. I also found a picture of the box it comes in, and it also doesn't mention anything about it including any games. Also, Jurassic World: Blue is not a video game but rather a virtual reality video. Specifically, sources (as well as Universal and one of the video's directors) call it a "virtual reality experience," but not a video game. It seems to be a spherical video/360 degree video, as described here. I have added a mention of it to the Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom page, and have removed it from this list.  AJFU  (talk) 16:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@TurokSwe: It has been two months and no one else has commented on this matter. The fact also remains that none of these entries have been sourced, and the burden to provide sources is on you. If you still believe that these entries belong here, you should probably ask for additional opinions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games to see if others agree with you on this (and the above discussion), and to see if a consensus can be made. Otherwise, I would like to remove these items for lack of verifiable evidence that they are indeed video games. I'm surprised that you wanted to keep the screensaver program and the virtual reality movie listed here despite the evidence I presented for them not being video games. You, on the other have hand, have yet to provide any evidence (other than unsourced statements) that most of these are video games. I consider this to be a basic and reasonable request. If they are video games, then sources would label them as such, and you should include those sources here. Even the game section of the official Jurassic World website doesn't list any of these entries that you added. A key requirement for being included on a list of video games is that the subject is indisputably a video game. Although Jurassic World Facts looks like a video game because of its animated dinosaurs, sources (such as this one) call it an "app". Jurassic World Facts and Jurassic World: Blue are already mentioned and sourced at Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom#Marketing. If necessary, a redirect for Jurassic World Facts and Jurassic World: Blue could be created to lead readers to the film page, which provides more information about the subjects than what is mentioned here on the game list. As for non-official fangames, I think it's a good idea to include reliable sources when it comes to such games, as it's apparently pretty easy these days for anyone to attempt to create a fangame. Since just about anyone can do it, I think we should exclude fangames that aren't notable enough to be mentioned in well known and reliable sources (such as the ones listed here).  AJFU  (talk) 19:26, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@TurokSwe: It has been over four months since these debatable items were added here, and still no reliable sources have been provided. If there are no objections, I would like to remove these unsourced entries, as well as the Ark games.  AJFU  (talk) 16:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)