Talk:Juris Doctor/GA2

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   This article is a wee bit on the thick side. The prose should be accessible for a reader without a graduate level education, yet there are awkward and overly complex sentences throughout: "It was established by the faculty of law at Harvard first, and while it was pending the approval of the administration, the degree was introduced at all the best law schools in the nation, such as Stanford, Pennsylvania, and Berkeley." "U.S. Supreme Court justice Joseph Story started the spirit of change in legal education at Harvard when, as a lecturer there in the early 19th century, he advocated a more “scientific study” of the law" "On continental Europe the bachelor's degree was phased out in the 18th or early 19th century or came to be a school leaving examination (in France) and was superseded by the licence and mastership preceding the doctorate. In contrast, at Oxford and Cambridge the Bachelor of Arts degree came to be taken at a later stage, and with postponement of university entry to later in adolescence it was the Master of Arts degree that became a nominal step in academic progress." Also, the text should eliminate "recently" wherever it appears by specifying dates.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   The first few paragraphs of the Modern Variants section are undercited. A minimum of one citation per paragraph is appropriate.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   If I were looking to enter law school, I would want this article to tell me about what could be expected in the three years of a JD program. It does no such thing.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   The section on the Executive Juris Doctor program is somewhat unclear--"Although J.D. graduates from these schools can, with special procedures and extra requirements, sit for the California bar exam, the California State Bar Association has not approved of the Executive Juris Doctor as a qualifying law degree, and these graduates are not able to sit for a bar exam in any jurisdiction"--so CAN they sit for the bar in California or not? Once admitted to the bar in California, can't they then apply to other bars? Also: "The program requires only three years of part-time study and 72 units.[130] The program was created to meet the needs of professionals with no intention of practicing law, but who seek legal study to supplement their own specialization." While not clearly out of bounds, they read to me as written from a JD advocate position disparaging a lesser degree. Also, see the "all the best law schools" quote above--POV, take it out.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

   Stable enough.

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   ON HOLD for up to a week. Let me know when you would like me to re-review. Jclemens (talk) 19:56, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

   Update: No forward progress made on many of these points, and some have been deteriorating (e.g., citations) in the past week. Please reapply when these are ironed out. Jclemens (talk) 18:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

follow-up comments

Reasonably well written: I have tried to implement the changes suggested.

Broad in its coverage: The J.D. program of study differs between school to school in the U.S., and differs significantly outside of the U.S. The Law school in the United States goes into the details as much as possible, which article is now referenced under "See also".

Neutral Point of View: The sentence mentioned in the Executive Juris Doctor section has been clarified. EJD holders are not able to sit for the bar anywhere in the U.S. The last two sentences are merely to provide contrast between the typical J.D. program, and isn't meant to disparage.

Further suggestions for implementing your ideas are of course welcome. Zoticogrillo (talk) 14:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)