Talk:Just Stop Oil

Inappropriate roll-backs

I want to call out the inappropriate editing by User:DeFacto over the oil protest today. Their two roll‑backs were not supported by their given reasons. My efforts to engage on their Talk page were removed after 5 minutes, so that traffic is gone. Hopefully this little skirmish will die down. With best wishes, Robbie RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 16:36, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

With reference to the claim in one roll‑back that "source doesn't support those charges for Hallam or Rumbelow and not clear how the protest relates to JSO", the article states just under the title "Just Stop Oil says cofounders Indigo Rumbelow and Roger Hallam were also arrested on Wednesday".

That is pretty clear in my view. Noting too that Damien Gayle is a long‑standing environmental reporter for The Guardian. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

References

JSO have posted to Twitter under the banner "Co‑founders arrested": twitter.com/JustStop_Oil/status/1714665304771407885 That supports Gayle's reporting. JSO is not a secondary source, though. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 17:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@RobbieIanMorrison, all that says is they were arrested following something that happened in August. It doesn't support the stuff I removed. -- DeFacto (talk). 17:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

The first cited source doesn't link Rumbelow and Hallam to this protest specifically, it only says that Details of Thunberg’s charge came as Just Stop Oil said its cofounders, Indigo Rumbelow and Roger Hallam, were arrested on Wednesday morning following dawn raids at their homes. The other source you add doesn't mention Just Stop Oil, Rumbelow or Hallam at all.

There may well be a connection, but if the press isn't explicitly drawing it, Wikipedia can't either. Belbury (talk) 18:03, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@RobbieIanMorrison, my talkpage is not the correct place to discuss the content of this article, that's why (see my edit summary) I removed your contribution there]. -- DeFacto (talk). 17:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Let's put that aside. Can you explain why my edit violates Wikipedia policies — as you indicated on your most recent commit message. Let's discuss in good faith. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 17:56, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@RobbieIanMorrison, please quote the parts from the cited sources that you think supports the content that I removed, specifically:

1. that Roger Hallam and Indigo Rumbelow from JSO, were arrested for organizing or participating in a protest against the Energy Intelligence Forum conference in London.
2. that Thunberg's arrest was in any way related to the activities of JSO.

-- DeFacto (talk). 18:16, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

1. The first The Guardian article does draw a connection between Hallam and the London protest of course, because why else would the material on Hallam be included in the article? But that connection is clearly not stated to the standard you require.

2. I did not say that Thunberg was acting on behalf of JSO (nor do I believe that). But her arrest is a valid part of this material, in my view. You may not agree with that editorial decision but my edits are not a misrepresentation of the reported material.

There will be more information in The Guardian and elsewhere tomorrow no doubt. And I will continue editing then. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 18:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@RobbieIanMorrison,

1. The only connection made in the source article is that it happened on the same day, it didn't say there was any other connection.
2. This article is about JSO, so for content to be relevant there has to be a JSO connection, other than it was reported in a source article that also reported a JSO story.

-- DeFacto (talk). 18:43, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

As indicated, I will return to this episode if and when there is more information. Given the profile of those involved, I image there will be considerably more media coverage? RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 18:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

More detail here but don't know whether WP:RS. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

No direct link to the Energy Intelligence Forum mentioned. Logging the reference nonetheless. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 16:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Total redesign

This whole page could do with a total rework (instead of large bodies of text describing lots of similar protests, a table would work better: date, no. of arrests etc). Having some personal involvement (being arrested with Just Stop Oil multiple times) I try to not touch this page myself so not to muddy the waters but I think this could make this page far more readable and easier to maintain. ChildishGiant (talk) 00:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

no mention of protesters shot?

there was an incident in which two just stop oil protesters were shot while blocking traffic two months ago in panama. that seems pretty significant and should be included in the article 151.8.4.101 (talk) 10:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Just Stop Oil are focused on fossil fuel extraction in the UK, that wasn't anything to do with them. The 2023 Panamanian protests were about copper mining. Belbury (talk) 10:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

No they're not that's a bald faced lie. They're also, ignorantly, interested in israel for some reason. Something something oil I guess. For the Omnicause!! 73.100.184.209 (talk) 13:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2024

Change the most recent addition to the art galleries subsection (Mona Lisa Part) for better grammar, perhaps to "On January 27th, 2024, two activists threw tomato soup at the Mona Lisa painting, hitting the glass protection, at the Louvre Museum in Paris." This would replace the sentence "on January 27 2024, two activists trowned Mona Lisa painting through a glass protection, at the Louvre Museum in Paris.[66]", as that is incorrect grammar and spelling (not exactly sure what trowned is to mean, and the sentence itself isn't quite clear. TigersTacos (talk) 02:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done as I've removed the paragraph instead, this was not a Just Stop Oil protest and should not have been added to the article in the first place. --Belbury (talk) 09:32, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay. Not sure if it was a Just Stop Oil Protest, but I guess most news videos and whatnot mis-attributed it to them due to to their previous art attacks (maybe those were misattributed too.) TigersTacos (talk) 14:32, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Oops. Turns out I was wrong, it was a French Group called "Riposte Alimentaire" or something of the sort. Thanks for looking into it and correcting me. TigersTacos (talk) 14:39, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, they're apparently part of the same umbrella group as Just Stop Oil, which some sources have noted, but that's all. Just Stop Oil is a UK protest group aimed specifically at UK government policy, so is unlikely to be active in Paris. Belbury (talk) 14:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

why is there no mention of the sick newborn blocked from getting to the hospital?

Most famous incident so far and article is silent on it. 24.228.69.222 (talk) 00:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done - I don't live in the UK but I added what I think is the incident in question to the article. Just to let you know, the article itself is under indefinite semi-protection due to persistent vandalism and disruptive editing, which means only users who are confirmed or auto-confirmed are able to edit the article. However, other users and anonymous IPs can still write edit requests as you similarly did here on the article's talk page, which can be fulfilled by any eligible users. Hope this clarifies things! Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 14:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

This is Rigged action group.

Please add "This is Rigged" to the list of other climate protest groups. It is the Scottish climate action group. 86.138.199.150 (talk) 05:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Redirect from Vandalism of Stonehenge

As I argued at the AfD discussion, it is not appropriate for the term Vandalism of Stonehenge to redirect here. There have been many, many other instances of vandalism of Stonehenge before, some involving lasting damage, and there no doubt will be more in the future. Associating the phrase with Just Stop Oil is inaccurate and misleading and could have consequences of the group being wrongly associated with potentially serious crimes. It should at best be redirected to Stonehenge if it needs to a redirect at all. Pinging User:OwenX who closed the AfD. Orange sticker (talk) 18:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not adjudicate what is or isn't vandalism. We may only repeat what reliable secondary sources said about the incident, neutrally and without passing judgement. The Prime Minister of UK referred to the act as a "disgraceful act of vandalism", as did much of the media. It seems disingenuous to suggest that the title of a Wikipedia redirect page would have consequences of the group being wrongly associated with potentially serious crimes. Your request comes across as politically motivated, rather than driven by a genuine interest in improving the project. Owen× ☎ 18:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm absolutely not disputing the meaning of the word vandalism. I'm pointing out that if someone searching for, say, the people who set fire to it in 2016, the people who took a hammer and chisel to it in 2008, or the Ban the Bomb graffiti from 1961 or any other acts of vandalism individuals or groups carry out in the future, they could well find themselves on the Just Stop Oil page with no explanation why. This has absolutely nothing to do with my political views, which I have not disclosed, but the accuracy of Wikipedia and wishing to avoid misleading information. Orange sticker (talk) 18:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome to debate alternate merge/redirect targets on the relevant Talk page. Or if you believe my closure did not correctly reflect consensus at the AfD, you can take this to WP:DRV. As the closer, I don't get a say on which outcome is best, only on which outcome is valid based on policies and guidelines, and receives a rough consensus among eligible participants. What you say may very well be true, and indeed my closing comment left the door open to different mergers. But AfD is not the best forum for picking a merge/redirect target. Consensus was that at least some of the content was notable, but not as a standalone page. Beyond that, it's editorial work outside the scope of AfD. Owen× ☎ 19:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Orange sticker, here's a suggestion: why not rename the page to 2024 vandalism of Stonehenge, in line with our usual naming convention for such events? Now that the AfD is over, there is no restriction on carrying out a good-faith move while the merge is being done. Would that address your concerns? Owen× ☎ 19:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Grammar fix needed (can't edit page)

...vaguely specifying that, "Stone circles can be found...

The comma is wrong. You don't put a comma if the quotation is continuing the sentence grammatically (unlike normal reported speech). 2A00:23C5:FE1C:3701:A4AD:F804:C87:5422 (talk) 17:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The comma has been removed in the two places where this error occurred. Reconrabbit 18:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)