Talk:Kōwhai

Photos

Kowhai tree in full bloom

Kowhai blooms with leaf buds

I've uploaded a couple of photos I took this evening (in Papakowhai :-) of some Kowhai in bloom. They also show the early leaf buds quite nicely, and how the shrub is largely leafless during its initial bloom. Karora 06:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Very nice, I think the picture of the whole tree would be a useful addition to the article to give a sense of scale. Gotta love spring... Lisiate 22:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've added that one to the article, in the only place I can see that it would work from a formatting perspective. Karora 00:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Lisiate 00:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I completely revamped the whole page and added information on how to grow them, enjoy. TheRabidMonkie (talk) 05:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Growing From Seed

A brief submersion in boiling water will do nothing to them except make them briefly warm. The whole point of being in the water is to allow them to soak up moisture in order to allow the seeds to germinate. In nature the seeds will tumble down rivers, the shell will be damaged or removed. This allows for the seed to soak up water meaning that it can start germination. If you do nothing other than chit the seed shell and then place in soil, then it can take many months for the seed to soak up water unless you keep the soil constantly wet, which will just result in the seed rotting. The seed will also rot if left for long periods of time with a damaged shell in soil that gets wet. This is why we chit the seed, soak it in water for several hours and then plant. It means the seeds will germinate in a week or two. If you place the seed in boiling water for only a brief time, by brief I'm assuming a couple of minutes - 5 minutes, it will not do anything near enough to benefit the seed. The idea of placing the seed in boiling water is to soften the shell to allow moisture to be absorbed. What is advised is that you place the seed into boiling water for several minutes, followed by a good soaking in water, preferably the water you just boiled, this means the seed has a long time in warm water to soften the shell and then time to soak water up before being planted. 203.97.119.134 (talk) 08:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

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Time to flower

There is no mention in the article that kowhai typically require six to ten years from germination before they will produce a flower. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.227.27 (talk) 23:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I added in time to flower reference although there is so much variation in the years stated by different sources I have left the actual numbers out.. --Grapeman4 (talk) 08:14, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Colour to Tree name

This article states that the name for the tree originates from its yellow colouring, but there is no mention of this fact in the source provided, and I can't confirm it from a cursory web search. My thought is just that the colour might have actually taken its name from the tree (or the flower). — Harry (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

sure was a cursory search ):. Check out the maori dictionaries online. Th article is correct but could do with a source as you suggest. Go for it. Moriori (talk) 23:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Kia ora, Moriori,

Thanks for alerting me to the fact that this issue had been tackled before.

Maori words meaning yellow include renga and koowhai.

Renga is also a word for yellow in many other Polynesian languages, and derives from an old word for ginger and turmeric, *rega .

It is listed in Williams Dictionary of Maori, but not, say, http://www.maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&keywords=renga&search= as it has been replaced by koowhai.

The word koowhai is found in a number of local Polynesian languages (the Central Eastern languages), but refers to podbearing plants (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesbania_tomentosa ), and not any particular colour. Koowhai has therefore developed a second meaning of yellow. But only in Maori.

The Comparative Polynesian Languages database lists a number of these languages, and which plants are called koowhai in the different locations, but Maori dictionaries have been slow to incorporate this information. http://pollex.org.nz/entry/rega-rega/ http://pollex.org.nz/entry/koofai/

This is the rationale behind the edit. Noho ora mai. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.255.139 (talk) 14:32, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

The basic problem is that you replaced a concise referenced statement.

Original:The name kōwhai comes from the Māori word for yellow — a reference to the colour of the flower.

Your change:The name kōwhai comes from the Māori , and refers to a legume with a yellow flower. The name, which also means 'yellow'.....

The reference you deleted says kōwhai means (1) yellow in colour and (2) various species including sophora. The kōwhai HAS yellow flowers and IS in the genus sophora. The fifth word in the lead has already established that it is a legume. I think the original is superior, but others may like to weigh in. Moriori (talk) 22:06, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, the original is superior. Except it says the plant name koowhai comes from a word for yellow. As this is not true, I wanted to correct this with reliably referenced source material, showing that it is the other way round. Sorry if this failed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.255.139 (talk) 06:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC) Thanks for your help. Looks good :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.255.139 (talk) 08:35, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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