Talk:K-116 (Kansas highway)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: SounderBruce (talk · contribs) 08:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Some comments to start:

• Too many exact distances; tone them down for readability.

Should be fixed now. -420Traveler (talk) 14:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

• The caption mentions US-59 but the image shows US-159.

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 14:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

• The highway not being included in the National Highway System is not worth mentioning.

I think it should becuase it may be confusing to some readers since it will still say "connects to it"? But let me know If you strongly disagree and I can remove it

Still inappropriate and out of scope.

• The flooding seems like very routine coverage and doesn't seem to have a real purpose in this article.

Ok I wasnt sure, I'll remove it. -420Traveler (talk) 14:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

• Watch for commas after dates, such as "May 11, 1993".

More in a few days. SounderBruce 08:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Done with my first full run-through. This article is quite far from meeting GA standards and I would suggest copyediting and learning from existing road GAs/FAs before nominating other articles of this nature. SounderBruce 07:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Add a region to the opening sentence to make it clear where in the state the highway is.

Should be fixed now? -420Traveler (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• "co-designated as" should be "co-designated with" or use a simpler term

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• "farmlands" should not be plural; the sentence is quite boring and does not tell the reader much, if anything.

 Fixed But it tells the reader that the majority of the highway is rural (a summary) -420Traveler (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• "for" is missing before "its entire length"

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• "there were auto trails" is awkwardly placed and should be expanded upon.

Should be fixed now? -420Traveler (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• General dates/decades are needed for these auto trails
  • The auto trails that were not direct predecessors to K-116 should not be mentioned in the lead

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• Assigned by who?

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• "A year later" would suffice in place of January 1938

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• Move the K-116 extension sentence to before the new alignment sentence to provide sufficient context

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Route description

• "Begins" is used twice in the first sentence

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 13:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• Exact distances are unnecessary and make it hard to read.

Should be fixed now? -420Traveler (talk) 14:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Still a few remaining that aren't needed (1 mile in Holton, 4 miles through farmland); the concurrency length is fine. SounderBruce 07:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 03:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

• Image caption should give a better location for context

Should be fixed now?? -420Traveler (talk) 03:03, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

• "Travelling" versus "traveled" later on: Choose whether to use single or double Ls for consistency

My bad, missed that one. Changed to one "l" since we are in the United States of America -420Traveler (talk) 18:23, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

• K-16 concurrency should be moved before "along 4th Street"

 Fixed

• Minor creeks that aren't notable in their own right should not be mentioned, and certainly not linked.

 Fixed

• Descriptions such as "farmland", "scattered houses", "small rolling hills", "grass lands" not supported by map interpretation, please don't overuse them. (I only listed a few from the first paragraph, but this is an issue with the whole section)

 Fixed

• Besides the OR issue, "rolling hills covered with grasslands" is not grammatically correct.

 Fixed

• The section overuses K-116 and doesn't space out its use of "The highway" appropriately; it's tiresome to read so many repeated terms.

 Fixed

• Minor roads that don't lead to linked towns (e.g. Anderson Road) should not be mentioned. Brevity is better.

 Fixed

• "crosses over the Delaware River then passes" is missing a transition

 Fixed

• "shifts back north then continues east" is also missing a transition

 Fixed

• "an area with more scattered areas of trees" is repetitive and borderline OR

 Fixed

• "K-116 continues east and soon crosses over Little Stranger Creek, then reaches a junction with US-159, which it begins to overlap." needs to be shortened by using fewer fillers.

 Fixed

• Where does US-159 continue from its two intersections with K-116?

 Fixed

• "traffic levels" should be "traffic volumes"

 Fixed

• "on average" is a bit of an easter egg link; please use the full term instead of hiding it.

 Fixed

• "varied" is misused here

What would you suggest?? -420Traveler (talk) 18:48, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

• Second highest AADT is not needed; it only serves to pad out the paragraph, which should be avoided.

 Fixed

• Again, the NHS does not need to be mentioned if the highway is not part of it.

 Fixed

History

• Again, the flooding is trivial unless there were long-term effects (e.g. a rerouting)

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 13:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• Section is too short to warrant subheadings. The second paragraph, however, needs to be split.

 Fixed

• The first sentence is not supported by citation 11.

Should be  Fixed now? -420Traveler (talk) 03:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

• "resolution on" should be "resolution passed on" or "resolution approved on"

 Fixed

• "what is now a food manufacturer" - Is this really necessary to include?

I said food manufacturer to let readers know it is no longer even a road there amymore. I changed to "building" will this work? -420Traveler (talk) 17:09, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

• Comma needed in "K-16 where it turned south"

 Fixed

• So both resolutions were passed on the same day? This needs to be cleared up.

 Fixed

• "it was approved" is used several times and not clear what "it" is referring to.

Should be fixed now? -420Traveler (talk) 03:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

• Inflation figure needed for the $54,589 bid, but is the company name really necessary?

 Fixed

• "Six dangerous curves" according to who? Explain why they were dangerous, and any statistics available.

It says in the resolution that they were dangerous if you look closely. So  Fixed

• "opened up to traffic" needs to drop the "up"

 Fixed

• "Also" can be moved after "US-159"

 Fixed

• "solely US-59" is missing a transition.

 Fixed

Major intersections

• Guide signs do not mention the hospital name, so it should be dropped from the notes per MOS:RJL.

 Fixed

References

• Citation 1 needs a better title

This one doesn't have a title, and I'm not sure how to properly add a title when there isn't one? -420Traveler (talk) 14:00, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• Citation 2 is a dead link

Should be fixed, let me know if not because we have been having trouble with . -420Traveler (talk) 14:00, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• Citation 11 needs to link to the David Rumsey Map Collection article

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 13:22, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Still leads to a 404 page.

Worked for me?? -420Traveler (talk) 03:07, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

• Remove the locations from newspaper citations to keep things consistent

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 13:22, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• Add links to the newspapers themselves on first use; same goes for Newspapers.com

 Fixed -420Traveler (talk) 13:22, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Final comments

@SounderBruce: All problems were fixed and responded to, let me know if I have missed anything. -420Traveler (talk) 03:29, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

There's still a few more items:

• Citation 2 still leads to a 404 page.

 Fixed

• "The two highways" is mentioned immediately after "the highway" is used for the concurrency; to reduce confusion, just don't pluralize it.

 Fixed

• "as it crosses into Atchison County" could be simplified to just "in Atchison County"; readers can infer that there is a county line being crossed here.

 Fixed

• There's still descriptions of "flat farmland" that need to be simplified to comply with OR guidelines.

Should be  Fixed

• "Varied" still needs to be replaced; I think "ranged" would be a better term to use here, as we're discussing a simple range of figures.

 Fixed

• The NHS mention is still pointless filler.

Dont seem why it hurts or what its a violation of so I kept it. -420Traveler (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

• Citation 13 uses the wrong location.

 Fixed

• Instead of food manufacturer, it could be simply turned into "a commercial building", which is obvious from the satellite map.

I already changed to "building" but did add in "commercial" -420Traveler (talk) 16:00, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

• Repeating "January 7, 1937" is not ideal, use "the same day"; also move the K-16 overlap explanation to after its resolution is mentioned.

 Fixed

• "according to the SHC" is not the correct attribution to use here; use "identified by the SHC". I still would rather see more context here, as "dangerous" is a vague term.

Not sure how else to fix this, I'll remove the word "dangerous" if you'd like? -420Traveler (talk) 16:16, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Still have to clean up these items before passing this. SounderBruce 02:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: I fixed almost everything, just have a question about the dangerous curves. Thanks -420Traveler (talk) 16:19, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Still more issues:

• The new Citation 2 has unclear page numbers (which don't seem to match the in-document pages) and isn't verifiable at the moment.

Changed it to the way New York State Route 28 is set up, should be good now.

• Citations should all include locations or omit them for consistency.

I added back the ones you previously had told me to remove, so they all have a location.

• There's still a "flat farmalnd" at the start of the RD's second paragraph.

 Fixed

• The opening sentence of the RD's third paragraph (setting up the AADT) is a mouthful and should be split.

Should be  Fixed now.

• The NHS mention is still problematic because it's trivial filler and also not verifiable through the map, which doesn't show K-116 at all (because it's not part of the network).

Ok  Fixed

• "six dangerous sharp turns, identified by the SHC" would be better as "six sharp curves that were "deemed dangerous" by the SHC."

 Fixed

SounderBruce 06:05, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: All problems should be fixed now. One question: for reference #1, what should I make the title since there isn't one? -420Traveler (talk) 15:27, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Finally good enough to pass. Please try to take some of this advice and apply it to other articles before nominating them for GAN, as I can see this is a reoccurring issue. SounderBruce 04:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)